St George for an English Parliament

MONDAY is St George's Day, the Patron Saint of England. It's also my birthday - which gives me a close affinity to the knight in shining armour.

But Monday will pass almost unnoticed by the populace, as the BBC, Ken Livingstone, and other proponents of what is good for us ignore the day. Compare this to the outpouring of jolity which the English have to put up with as St David's Day, St Patrick's Day, and St Andrew's Day are celebrated (not forgetting Burns night).

This politically correct culture of doing down the English is producing a backlash. For too long, the English have been indifferent to their cultural identity. We've allowed the 15% Scottish, Welsh and Ulster tail to wag the 85% English dog. We've put up with the unfair Barnet Formula. We;ve bailed out Scottish and Welsh industries while being reviled when our sports teams are playing in international competitions.

While we should all be first and foremost the United Kingdom, there has to be a devolution settlement which is fair to all of us. But England has been ignored. We've been expected to put up with Scotland and Wales grabbing money for their own devolved assemblies, allowing free university tuition fees in Scotland and free NHS prescription in Wales, while the English have received nothing in turn.

But you've robbed us of North Sea oil, will come the cry from Aberdeen. Utter poppycock - the oil is in British, not Scottish waters, and we are all entitled to this natural resouce as British citizens.

I want an English Parliament, devoid of Scottish Cabinet ministers ruling Whitehall ministries knowing their policies will have no effect on their constituents because matters such as health are devolved.

Let's have a federal United Kingdom, with four devolved parliaments having equal rights and powers. The UK government and parliament should be responsible for foreign affairs, customs, revenue, excise and fiscal matters, social security, border controls, asylum and immigration, and naional transport. Responsibility for policing should be clawed back and come under the remit of the UK Home Secretary.

We could elect these parliaments by proportional representation, and halve the number of UK MPs and still elect them under the first-past-the-post system.

That's my solution, and I firmly believe it would be supported by St George.

 

posted on 20 April 2007 09:34 by Graham Dines

Comments

20 April 2007 11:41 by Andrew Ware

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My grandad was a geeat man and of Irish descent. He taught me that loyalty should be based on fair treatment and justice. The Irish of Ulster are getting it, the Scots got it in the 1980s/ 90s and with and SNP government could seeeven more devolution over the next three years, if not full indeopendence.

All thats now needed is parity for Wales and Monmouthshires status resolved. Then a parliament for England can progress and from that perhaps see a Monarch and OPresident (of the seocnd chamber or of a council of state) In such a framework where church/ crown and state are seperate a multi faith UK could evolve into a federal monarchy and perhaps re encompass the 26 counties of the Irish Republic. Then these Isles would have absorbed and learnt from the lessons of the Imperial era since E1 and The union of Crowns of 1603.
20 April 2007 11:52 by vcbull

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Graham, you are spot on with your comments. The tide is turning and, as the English awaken to their culture and history, politicians will feel obliged to present and adopt policies that represent us fairly. The debate is not about scoring points off the Scottish or the Welsh. If I lived in either region I would take what was offered but all parts of the UK should receive an equal share of resources.
20 April 2007 12:00 by Terry Brown

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Graham Dines has hit upon many issues which are beginning to form a groundswell of opinion throughout England.
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There are many forces ranged against England, from the EU (which wants to replace our country with Euro regions and has already removed the name of England from the offical EU map of Europe), the 'old three' political parties who are in league with the EU, right down to Ken Livingstone who supports St Patricks Day but not St Georges Day.
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North Sea oil is another bone of contention; Graham is quite right in saying it is British oil not Scotish oil. However, our duplitious English-hating government has changed the sea boundaries to place most of the oil fields in 'Scottish' waters. If the boundaries were restored according to international maritime law a very large percentage of that oil would be in 'English' waters. One must ask therefore why was this change made? The answer might well be to provide Scotland with yet more English income when it becomes independent (which it surely will).
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Whichever way you look, be it education, health care, pensioner care, the English are being sort-changed by the Celtic fringe. Only an English parliament can restore democracy and ensure that such inequity is brought to an end.
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Happy St Georges Day to your readers,
Terry Brown
English Democrats
20 April 2007 12:02 by David Ford Lane English Democrat

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Well said that man, the lab/Cons/Lib Dems are directly responsible for this dire situation and continued support for them will only serve to encourage their destructive ambition and further fragment cross border relationships.

Eventually England will justifiably demand full fiscal independence and will inevitably pursue policies that have been hitherto confined to the nationalist parties of the smaller countries of Britain.

Happy St Georges Day to All the people of England!.....We love this country!
20 April 2007 12:07 by Richard Hughes

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Why not go the whole hog, and push for full English independance? The political imperatives of three hundred years ago should not be allowed to blind us to the realities of our modern situation. The fact is England doesn't need the UK.Yes,it's been a mostly happy union, and yes, in the past it worked well for most parties, but it's time for sentamentality to be put aside in favour of OUR national interest. Factor out the costs to England of propping up the dead eyed ungrateful adolescent economies of the celtic fringe and we find upwards of £5 to £6 billion per annum returning into the coffers of an English government. Imagine if you can, Police on our streets again. More funding for the English NHS. The ability to fund a decent army, navy and airforce. The possibilities are endless.
And who knows. Maybe like all adolescents, when finally pushed out into the real world, our celtic neighbours may begin to have a more adult relationship with their English neighbours, and we can all come to appreciate each other just that little more.
20 April 2007 12:13 by Brian Lee

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Right is on our side. We just have to keep the flag flying both literally and metaphorically.

If you haven't got a flag, get one. They are cheap. You don't need a flagpole; hang it from a window or a tree this weekend and Monday at least. The more there are the more it well encourage others to follow suit.

This will help to focus the minds of politicians to stop treating those who live in England as second class citizens.

20 April 2007 12:20 by Tony McEnarney

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Graham.
Wholeheartedly agree with everything that you have said. We do need an English Parliament and all that is in "the name of Fair" by George we should have it.
20 April 2007 12:42 by Scilla Cullen

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There are many options for setting up an English Parliament and Executive (Government) but the most cost effective would, as has been said, reduce the necessity for such a large UK parliament. Clearly there are vested interests in the British establishment adopting a "laissez faire" policy. Their attitude can be seen by the fact that they studiously ignore and refuse to participate in the English Constitutional Convention, which was launched last year. It should be noted that all, bar on, of Scottish Labour MPs signed the Claim of Right for Scotland which proclaimed "Scotland's Parliament, Scotland's Right" and went on to say that the sovereign right of a nation to govern itself is laid down in the UN Charter. Far from allowing us our national rights they refer to England as "the regions of Britain". I cannot imagine anything more designed to insult a nation. This together with what has been termed "ethnocide", whereby all kinds of objections and hurdles are put in front of those wishing to celebrate and promote our native culture, must be challenged. We support wholeheartedly all those who are celebrating this country's patron saint. We urge everyone to take the day off on St George's Day and raise a toast to him.
Scilla Cullen, Chairman, Campaign for an English Parliament, www.thecep.org.uk


20 April 2007 12:44 by Tally

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Happy Birthday on St George's Day Mr Dines.
On the 17th of January,The member for Birkenhead Frank Field NL put forward an Early Day Motion 670 with these words"That this House notes that those polls that have questioned the English report a clear majority in favour of an English parliament; and further notes that it is this issue, and not Scottish independence or even House of Lords reform, that is the issue that voters now put at the top of their priorities for constitutional reform".
This motion has had cross party support but to this date only 19 English MP's have supported this motion.It is not good enough that our elected representatives at Westminster think so very little of the people who trusted them
with their votes.
I am in favour of a federal uk,but unless these politicians come to their senses soon, I believe there will be a tipping point and the uk will implode in acrimony.
Happy St George's Day to all in East Anglia.
20 April 2007 12:49 by Pete Woolford

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The country with the oldest democracy in the world and we treat our indigineous people as if they were the under-class, if our so called poltical representatives belived in the Human Rights bill they signed us up for we should have a national Holiday this Monday but they obviously dont think our voices count.

20 April 2007 13:00 by Keith Andrews

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Every year about 50 of us go on a St Georges day celebration. Support is getting stronger, people are getting fed up with being spoon fed anti-England pro Britain, the tide is turning, long live England and the Queen
20 April 2007 13:05 by Alan England

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Congratulations! You also share the date with Shakespeare!

On a sad note, we now have the spectacle of a group of anonymous, self appointed England bashers who want to 're-brand' St George!!

Funny how they have to go back some 800 years to claim that St George was 'misappropriated'! Funny how the saints Andrew, David and Patrick are exempt from this unwanted interference! Their term 're-branding' gives a strong clue to the source of this meddling.

Up with this we English must no longer put!

Cry God for England, Harry and St George!
20 April 2007 13:10 by Desiree J. Newark

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I fully endorse Dines comments re an English Parliament. Those who object continualy use the word 'fair' - but how can it be fair when MP's empowered by Scottish voters have rights over English voters? Fairness means equality for everyone - that includes the English. We are as much enititled to an English Voice as Scotland, N. Ireland and Wales are entitled to their own voices.
It's about time we shouted loud enough to make our voices heard.
20 April 2007 13:34 by N Capp

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Of course we need an English Parliament to end the democratic deficit within the UK, and devolve many UK powers to England. This is a burning issue of our time.

The people of England overwhelmingly back the clearly just call for an English Parliament, but every one of the British political players oppose the people’s will, because of their own political investment in the British status quo.

Yet another shove in the back, pushing people away from the democratic process.

I wonder what people will turn to if the time comes when they completely despair of British democracy ??
20 April 2007 14:07 by John Broadhurst

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I agree with much of what Andrew Ware says, but multi- anything is out as far as I am concerned. We are English, with a Christian heritage. Other faiths can worship with freedom, but not expect their faith to have any official position in our country. Multi-cultural to me means "shut up about the take-over of your land by aliens"
It may be too late for the UK, but if not I agree that a Federal solution is probably the only answer.
A big question of course is what we shall do with the many who are "British" on paper (and only on paper) but not English, Welsh, Scottish or Northern Irish. Goodbye is my preferred solution.
20 April 2007 14:11 by Artley Jones

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we English are finally biting back and lord does it feel good :) an English parliament is the first step towards getting England back for the English and those who love her
20 April 2007 14:24 by E justice

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Agree with all you say Graham,Does any other country on their Saints Day have creatures coming out of the woodwork,decrying every
thing about England and the English?
I am English and very proud to be so,in fact I will go as far as to say I feel sorry for anyone who is not English.So yes indeed "Cry God for Harry England and St. George
20 April 2007 14:34 by Della

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I too have Irish ancestors, who took refuge in England during the potato famine.
It is intolerable that England is not allowed her own Parliament and her people are treated like third class citizes, denied the same benefits and services that their taxes provide for her neighbours.
I think its time for all English people to start speaking out in defence of our sick and elderly. We must have our own Parliament, equal funding in the UK and if its not forthcoming, then by St George, we should take it for all the people who call England home.
20 April 2007 14:36 by David Bridgen, Lincolnshire

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"This politically correct culture of doing down the English is producing a backlash."

Not yet it isn't.

The English have traditionally been complacent despite the national pastime of moaning about so much. But once provocation reaches a certain point and our collective back is against the wall the reaction is usually rapid and thorough.

Yes, a backlash is possible and, in view of the Government's inability or unwillingness (there can be no other reason) to listen to the people it purports to represent, is probably inevitable.

If governmental stubbornness continues for much longer, whatever party is in power, we will have the makings of a revolution.
20 April 2007 14:48 by Stephen Gash

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This article reflects what most English people want. The Sunday Telegraph and the BBC both ran polls showing two thirds of English people want an English Parliament.
So we should have one with the Cross of St George flying proudly from its roof and a statue of St George at its entrance.

Come to Whitehall Place in London on 1st May at 10.00am and join a legal march demanding Justice for England
20 April 2007 14:49 by phil taylor

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Graham speaks for me perfectly.
20 April 2007 15:16 by Peter Bell

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As one who is decended from the Reivers,I have become sick to death of those who winge on about how wonderful are Scotland & Wales, but I notice that they would not live there for all the Scotch in Perthshire.
However in honour of your birthday I have purchased a flagpole and on Monday will fly St Georges Cross, and from then on all appropriate occasions.
20 April 2007 16:39 by William Gruff

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An English Parliament with powers at least equal to that of Scotland is now urgently needed and you are to be congratulated for dealing with what is now an urgent issue.

Those who argue that the establishment of an English Parliament would lead to the break up of the union should consider that the process was begun when the 'union' was invalidated by devolution. It now only serves the interests of the peoples of Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales. Why should the people of England remain part of an arrangement that deliberately discriminates against them, particularly in health and welfare?

We must have an English parliament and the prospect of dissolution is no reason to refuse it to us.
20 April 2007 16:54 by Paul Homewood

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The people of England should be given the right ,just as the Scots and the Welsh were ,to decide their future governance in a referendum.

It is such obvious common sense that I cannot believe we are still having to argue our case.
20 April 2007 16:55 by Harry Basset

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Happy Birtday for Monday Graham. I too demand an English Parliament as it is only by having their own parliament that the Scots get the best of everything, paid for by the English.
20 April 2007 17:01 by Len Welsh

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Happy Birthday to all born on St George's Day.
I shall celebrate St George's day with some of the finest English people that I know, they are all members of the Campaign for an English Parliament, the salt of the earth who, in the end, will get their Parliament, I'll be on the wrong side of the grass when it happens but I'll be looking down to see the joy on their faces.
Best wishes to you all for the 23rd.
20 April 2007 17:07 by Ken Bennett

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I completely agree with Graham on this matter. An English Parliament could replace all of the regional assemblies in England which in reality are imposed on us by the EU to further the interests of that outdated bureaucracy.

We also need more bosses to follow the example of businessman Tim Allard in Kent who is giving all of his staff a holiday on Monday and wants others to follow his lead.
20 April 2007 17:22 by Roger Palmer

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I agree entirely with Graham Dines's case for an English Parliament For far too long we have subjugated our national identity, and cultural values for the sake of the Union, let alone quietly accepted much lower per capita spending on things like health and education for the last thirty or so years. Westminster has failed us, only an English Parliament will give us the voice to right these wrongs.



20 April 2007 17:22 by Ian Campbell

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Send a card to Mr Cameron!
Dave Cameron has recently stated, in Scotland, "I don't want to be Prime Minister of England". On a different occasion, but also in Scotland, he also called those in England who question the value of the Union 'sour little Englanders'. Please send Dave a card on St George's Day to remind him where most of his Party's voters live and ask him if the Conservative Party, having already been reduced to one MP in Scotland, wants to lose its seats in England as well.
20 April 2007 17:26 by Scyld

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Thank God that more and more English people are waking up to their own identity and realising that our neighbours are intrinsically anti- English and therefore coming to the reasonable conclusion that we must have an English Parliament with an English Executive.
Not one major party supports this popular view,(which polled 68% for an English parliament in a recent ICM poll conducted by The Telegraph) which is why I am voting for The English Democrats in May.
As far as I am concerned the abuse that has been heaped upon my nation by the Neo Labour government warrants preventative action so it cannot ever happen again. We need to get right out of the 'union' and everything to do with it including the outrages in English schools where our children alone in the'UK' are singled out to be taught 'Britishness'.
I look forward to a good evening on the 23rd with English ale. a hog roast , morris men and an English themed pub quiz.
Happy St. George's Day to all East Anglians from a fellow Englishman.
20 April 2007 17:41 by Fred Forsythe (not The)

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Happy Birthday for Monday Graham.
Crack on mate!
The message is getting out there.
The political clans of the 'three in one' Parties have their faces pointing north to their 4.5 million kinsmen.
They do not seem to notice that 50 million Englishmen are marching to their southern flank to trample them back to obscurity.

England will prevail; she has her face flushed red with the embarrassment of her naive belief in Britain.
It was an expensive lesson but one well learned.
20 April 2007 18:20 by Athelstan

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Well said Mr Graham, and a happy birthday for monday my friend.

I support you all the way, the backlash will come sooner or later, why because we the English should no by now that our so-called local representatives in Mc Westminster will never listen because it would put most of them out of power, because there is a large Scots eliat in all three main Mc Parties, plus they are all getting big back handers from their political Masters in the EUSSR, so giving the people of England their rights and justice would be dead st against their creed, which is screw the English, the minorities and the EUSSR come first.

So although i'm with you on the subject of an English Parliament, i also say its time we the English went fot total Independence, the Union means nothing any more its had its day, its time we the English shook of the shacles of this undemocratic union, and went our own way.

May 1st, Justice for England March if you want justice for England and love England then all true Englishmen, and Women should be their.

England first and formost.
20 April 2007 18:30 by Pam Irving

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I feel very strongly about this myself and I am sick to death of those who keep rubbing our noses in it, or saying that there's "no need" for an English assembly, that it would indeed be counter productive because it's "a complex issue". What's complex is the tissue, nay web, of absolutely trashy excuses that self-interested politicians continue to spout as "reasons" why England cannot have seperate representation. It's not for OUR good, though, let's be clear about this. It is NOT for the good of the English that we cannot have representation, it is for the good of the minority nations within Britain because they are scared that a devolved England will have too much say over her own affairs and that will affect them adversely. And yet, as Graham points out, the tail is currently wagging the dog and we seem unable to get anything moving in our favour at present. I put this down largely to apathy and excellent management strategies from the leading parties. You know the one, keep them happy enough and distracted from what we're really doing and we can get on with pulling the company down around their ears without them noticing. It works just as well in Great Britain plc as it works in corporate life.

Recently I heard a Welsh person crowing on Radio 4 about how "completely ignorant" the English are about what's going on in Wales and how much power the Welsh assembly actually has and that if we weren't "so ignorant" we might be concerned. I am inclined to agree with him, although this would not be of concern to me were it not for the malevolant contempt of which he referred to the English.

So clearly these people are deriving a great deal of satisfaction out of getting one over on us and on the whole we are still letting them. We ARE ignorant because we are being KEPT ignorant by our own politicians who distract us with our own tales of woe on pensions, etc.

We MUST make a stand and we MUST do it soon. We must stop the leaching of England!

I will "cry God for Harry, England and St George" in my heart on Monday and on every other day of the year, and if there is ever a rally in London on a day when I am not at work then I will attend.

Regards,

Pam
20 April 2007 18:46 by M.Stringfellow

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At last England is waking from its slumber. I am sick of being governed by Scots, and I do not want a Scotsman, who has no affinity with England as PM. How is it that everytime I turn on the radio there is another Junior Minister with a Scottish voice telling me what to do? As for "Call me Dave", with a name like Cameron no wonder he doesn't want to be Prime Minister of England, The feeling is mutual.

I will be flying the flag on St. George's Day. Happy Birthday and many of them.
20 April 2007 19:17 by James Matthews

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Yes. We need a parliament for England. Preferably within the Union, but if those who claim that the Scots will go off in a huff if we get one turn out to be right, so be it.
20 April 2007 19:23 by ROGER PRESCOTT

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Well said Graham. There is now a groundswell building up in England for an English parliament that MPs at Westminster, including the unaccountable Celts,must act on. The gutless English MPs who fob us off with "English Votes For English Matters" and an "English Grand Committee" will be remembered. All MPs deny us, insult us, ignore us, humiliate us and milk us for taxes but the English people can rise above all this and we will prevail. Happy Birthday Graham and Forever England and St. George.
20 April 2007 19:50 by Adrian Ratcliffe

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Well said Graham! I'm sick to death with this country being expected to fall over backwards in the name of political 'correctness' to accommodate every culture, faith, custom and view, when it is at the expense of our own. I used to think that if you were white, male, straight and over 30, then you had no-one to speak up for you. I now add English to that list! Hopefully, for not too much longer if we campaign and rally around the case for an English Parliament ... and make St George's Day a bank holiday!
20 April 2007 23:03 by Dave Ball

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Indeed we do need an English Parliament, it is only fair and just.

We also need to stop using English taxpayers money to subsidise Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and most of the EU.

If you add in the costs of asylum seekers, the 111 new quangos Labour had created, the money spent of Government "Management consultants" and the incapacity benefit farce, we in England are all, every man woman and child lsoing out to the tune of £1,000 a year - that's £5,000 a year for a family of 5 and £2,000 for a pensioner couple.

We could give £500 of that back in tax cuts and use £500 to improve public services. England could be a paradise. Hurrah for St George!

20 April 2007 23:37 by Robin Parsons

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Thank you Graham! You sure have your finger on the pulse of England.... unlike the shower of politicians that are supposed to represent us. They are far more concerned with the people of Scotland to consider English views.

The world of journalism and media needs more people like you... Our political masters and the mainstream media seem to ignore the "English question"....and seem happy to propagate the status quo.

Times are a changin' though and the citizens of England are waking up to the realisation that we are being treated as second-class citizens within the now obsolete Union. When one looks at the issues within the Union that disadvantage the English (i.e. West Lothian question, Barnett Formula, NHS issues such as free prescriptions in Wales, higher nurses pay increases north of the border etc etc ad infinitum), there is no wonder that there is a demand for an English parliament!

We, the English need separate representation! Just as the Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish have. We need a parliament for England and all of her citizens to ensure that the correct decisions are made for the benefit of the people of England.

Happy St George's day and happy birthday. As St George's day is not yet a Bank holiday (travesty!!!) I have booked the day off and I will continue to do so every year from now on...I will raise a glass of English ale and toast England, St George and your good health!

Robin Parsons
Dorset

21 April 2007 00:43 by Graham Marlow

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Within the United Kingdom, England is the sleeping giant, the 300lb Gorilla in the cage...

Well, the sleeping giant is waking up and the cage is about to break.

Watch out Cons/Lab/LibDems, because England will not thank you for ignoring it.
21 April 2007 00:56 by Julia Howman

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Very well said Graham!

A very Happy Birthday to you on Monday, how lucky you are to share such a great day with St George. So uplifting to read your positive article, many journalist's would do well to take a leaf out of your book, to coin a phrase!

England must have her own Parliament, the people have voted in favour of this but the figures are denied and the very subject of an English Parliament has been mostly suppressed
in the media until more recently with MP's now waking up to the very unjust facts that its wrong for Scots to be voting on English policies, voting indeed to cause injustice for the English people which they have done with regard to University fees and Foundation Hospitals in England and voted against in Scotland.
The Barnet Formula must be abolished and Scotland must have its total independence.
The very idea of Regional Assemblies must be dumped, how dare this Government push ahead with eliminating our historic county shires, with us for over a thousand years in favour of EU dictatorship. It would be very dangerous to accept RA's, the wrong people could end up dominating a whole area of our country, lock, stock and barrel!

I have to say with some pride, that Norfolk appears to be the unofficial HQ of the ''Support St George's Day Campaign's''.
I campaigned with others outside Norwich Courts with peaceful demontrations in support of Tony Bennett, publican of the Otter Pub in Thorpe Marriot when he was refused an hours extension each year for St George's Day, despite being given extensions without question for the Chinese New Year and St Patrick's Night events at his pub. We persevered outside the Norwich Courts each time with flags and banners, even outside the High Courts in the Strand, London when Tony took his case to Judicial Review and the judge refused St George's Day to be acknowledged as a ''Special'' day. If Tony had won that case, the Government would not be able to deny us a Bank Holiday so this is why it was really refused, those English must be put in their places, no Nationalist pride allowed for them, only the Scots, Welsh and N. Irish can be free to show that!

Well,Mr Blair and co, we are the English and we aint going away, we are made of good stuff.
If you support St George's Day & want it as a Bank Holiday, please sign my petition on the 10 Downing St website. The PM has to answer my question next January, we have until then to get as many names on it as possible. It will be interesting to hear what he has to say in reply to my statement. Please copy and paste the link below and follow the instructions for signing the petition. There are already over 5,000 signatures on there, please pass the link on to others too, thanks.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/SupportStGeorge/

Bruno Peek OBE, also from Norfolk has stared a support St George's Day website www.celebratestgeorgesday.com and he would like us all to raise our glasses at 10.45pm on the 23rd and give a toast to England & St George!
I never miss a chance to promote St George's Day, on radio, or in the press through letters or email, we all must do that. My large flag fly's 365 days of the year in my garden and I shall put several more out this weekend.

Please set an example and do the same. I shall be holding a dinner at a nice hotel in Norwich for 40 people on the 23rd, and we shall definitely be raising our glasses with English pride and no one is ever going to stop us doing that!
I smell rebellion in the air, don't you?
Bring it on!

Happy St George's Day to all at your paper and to all who truly love our land and our way of life, may it last forever.


Julia Howman
St George's Day Campaign
Norwich, Norfolk
21 April 2007 00:56 by will hanlon

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St georges day is celebrated up and down England every year with little or no positive media coverage.
We English are however subjected to meaningless debates about Englishness and veiled comments that we are somehow racist for loving our country.
No other nation in the world would put up with this scandalous abuse and nor should we,i urge all readers to join the English democrats party and the campaign for an English parliament,swell the ranks folks and show our "neighbours"that they do not have a monopoly on patriotism and that the daily discrimination faced by us English must stop.
21 April 2007 04:49 by Terry

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Calls for an English Parliament are getting louder and louder.

Pre 1997 it was hard to find anyone that wanted one...now the polls are consistently showing 60%+. We won't be denied for ever!
21 April 2007 07:24 by Terry Brown

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I think it would be a good idea for everyone who flew England pennants from their cars during the world cup to fly them again on St Georges Day. I will be flying mine.
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Happy St Georges Day everyone.
21 April 2007 09:45 by Ken Walters

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I support everything Graham Dines has said here, but I would add not to give the English their own parliament is racist. Because we have a Scottish New Labour hierarchy ruling us, we are told everything English is shameful but being from a minority is something to be proud of. Who actually believes this New Labour rubbish?

Give us our own parliament free of foreign interference.
21 April 2007 10:26 by Tony Eastwell

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Graham Dines is so right. If this perverse Government continues to ignore English sensitivities it will pay a heavy price.
Gordon Brown and his ilk trumpet their Britishness because they are well aware that thee is growing resentment in England over the preferential treatment given to Scotland,Wales and Ulster at the expense of the English taxpayer. The thought of Gordon Brown as Prime Minister is rapidly becoming anathema to the majority of the English.
21 April 2007 10:39 by David George Rand

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What a joy, to read Graham Dines article and what a pleasant surprise to find that a newspaper actually a allows a commentator to say good things about the English!
21 April 2007 11:59 by Paul Catcheside

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Nice one Graham. I agree with you all the way. I am very fearful that the English will lose out yet again in any negotiations over possible Scottish independence - or indeed to offer as "considerations" to buy them off. We need a legislature which has the authority and commitment to represent our English interests
21 April 2007 14:24 by peter king

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Time for an English Parliament.We have been kicked around by the Scottish tartan mafia for to long now.Get rid of Blair,Brown, Reid,Browne,Darling and all the other Brown nosers and install English only defenders of this once great country.
21 April 2007 19:55 by Arthur Jones, Southampton, England

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I agree with much of what Graham says, but I disagree that "we should all be first and foremost the United Kingdom".

I don't consider myself British anymore. Part of the reason why is that the Scots and Welsh opt out of Britishness whenever it suits them. For Britishness to work, people in all four nations need to embrace it. The reality is that people in the Celtic Nations have NEVER fully embraced it. That's why there's a UK Parliament but also a Scottish Parliament. That's why it's British Gas in England, but Scottish Gas in Scotland. There is a Keep Britain Tidy campaign in England, but in Scotland they have Keep Scotland Beautiful. The message I get is that they are not British - except of course when it comes to getting handouts from the English tax payer, or running for PM!

I don't believe the Union can be patched up. The wound is far too deep to heal. It may have been a convenient arrangement in the time of empire, but it's way past it's sell by date.

Independence for all is the way forward.
21 April 2007 20:14 by Veronica Newman

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Graham Dines - how right you are and according to the latest ICM poll which has just been released 67% of the population agree with you.

Devolution has brought about major constitutional changes within the United Kingdom. Scotland now has its own parliament, Wales its own assembly. The Scottish Parliament hasn't just given Scotland legislative powers independent of England in such major matters of governance as education, health, transport, law, planning and many more but has established Scotland constitutionally and politically as a distinct country and the Scots as a distinct nation within the UK. The Welsh Assembly has done precisely the same for Wales and the Welsh people.

It is time that England had the same recognition.

www.thecep.org.uk
22 April 2007 02:03 by Norfolk boy

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Spot on with this article, well done, happy birthday and happy St George's day. We need an English parliament (let's have it in Norwich!) I'm sick of New Labour and the way they are destroying England. If somebody would stand in South Norfolk for Westminster sticking up for us English they'd get my vote.

A Norfolk lad.
22 April 2007 09:28 by Steve Mullarkey

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Graham is completely correct in his assessment and overview of the current situation.
The English people are more tolerant of other "nations" than they tolerate us.
We've put up with this discrimination (financial, political, societal) for far too long and it's about time that we were recognised as others are with our own Parliament.
22 April 2007 16:39 by J Blitz

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I agree with Graham Dines . A parliament for England within the union on a par with the parliament of Scotland .

Better happen soon because the thing is whenever this matter is talked about the striking thing is how many in England would like to go for total English independence .
22 April 2007 16:57 by Mike Blundell

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The transfer of authority to institutions in Scotland and Wales has removed the legitimacy of the British Government to rule England.

England (and Wales) each need a Parliament with powers equal to that in Scotland so like the USA, Australia and Germany we have a proper federal structure to support a federal state. A united England for a United Kingdom.
22 April 2007 19:27 by danem

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Many Happy returns for tomorrow.
Nice to see support for St. George, Day -let's hope it filters through to apathetic English who grumble in their beards about the unelected Scottish Minister and the increasing quality of in the devolved parts of the country ar the expense of the English, but do nothing about it.
Mr C Pearse
22 April 2007 21:14 by Riddiford

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Happy birthday St George and graham !

To all the commenters above well said.

I thought I was alone but now I know am not .

Dont forget to tell your MP MEP and all the local councillors etc etc .
(see www.writetothem.com)
The snowball is beginning to roll.

Independence for England
22 April 2007 22:18 by Tessa Newman

# Where are the English MPs?re: St George for an English Parliament

Well done Graham - what an unusual political commentry, actually on the side of the English nation. Where are the English MPs? They are really letting us all down.
23 April 2007 13:51 by sour little Englander

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Happy Birthday Graham on this St George's Day.

As a present here is Kipling's speech to the
Royal Society of St George 1920.

England and the English

Beyond the Pillars of Hercules, they do things inversely and, perpetually appearing to dig their own graves, by some means erect world-beheld monuments—an example, however, not to be followed by less confident peoples.



Royal Society of St. George: April 1920
I THINK this is an occasion on which it behoves us all to walk rather circumspectly. If you will let me, I will try and tell you why. About sixteen hundred years ago, when Rome was mistress of the world and the Picts and the Scots lived on the other side of the Wall that ran from Newcastle to Carlisle, the story goes that Rome allowed all those peoples one night in the year in which they could say aloud exactly what they thought of Rome, without fear of the consequences. So then, on that one night of the year, they would creep out of the heather in droves and light their little wandering fires and criticise their Libyan Generals and their Roman Pontiffs and the Eastern camp followers, who looked down on them from the top of the great high unbreakable Roman Wall sixteen hundred years ago.
To-day, Imperial Rome is dead. The Wall is down and the Picts and the Scots are on this side of it, but thanks to our Royal Society of St. George, there still remains one night in the year when the English can creep out of their hiding-places and whisper to each other exactly what we think about ourselves. No, it is not quite safe to criticise our masters—our masters who tax us and educate us, and try us, and minister so abundantly to what they instruct us our wants ought to be. Since these masters of ours have not yet quite the old untroubled assurance of power and knowledge that made Rome so tolerant in the days when the Picts and the Scots lived on the other side of the Wall, we will confine ourselves to our own popular and widely recognised defects.

Some of our severest critics, who, of course, are of our own household, have said that there never was such a thing as the English Race—that it is at best the intolerably insolent outcome of ancient invasions and immigrations, freshened with more recent Continental gaol-deliveries. Far be it from me to traverse such statements. I give them on no less authority than that of the late Mr. Daniel Defoe, Liveryman of the City of London, author of Robinson Crusoe and of a pamphlet called The True-born Englishman. He deals very faithfully with the English. So faithfully that, in deference to the susceptibilities of some races, I will not give his version of the Englishman’s pedigree, but in his summing up of the true-born Englishman, Defoe says:

A true-born Englishman’s a contradiction,
In speech an irony, in fact a fiction,
A metaphor intended to express
A man akin to all the Universe.


In that last line it seems to me that Defoe slips into a blessing where he meant to curse, because a man “akin to all the Universe” cannot be wholly lost. He must have some points of contact with humanity. And the Englishman has had several.

The Phoenicians taught him the rudiments of shopkeeping; the Romans taught him love of sport by hiring him to fight wild beasts in their arenas. Under the Heptarchy he studied Social Reform, which in those unenlightened days consisted of raising levies on capital in order to buy off the Heathen of the North from taking direct action against English industries. He next took a three-hundred-years’ course of colloquial and Law French under eminent Norman teachers. He did not learn that language then or since, but it left him with a profound respect, based on experience, for his neighbours across the Channel, and a conviction, which time has deepened, that they were the only other people in the world who mattered.

For five hundred years his affairs, domestic and foreign, were controlled by French, Italian, Spanish, with occasional Austrian, politico-ecclesiastical authorities, who tried to teach him that “this realm of England” was but part of a vast international organisation destined to embrace, protect, and instruct all mankind. He escaped from those embraces only to find himself subjected to the full rigours of the Puritan Conscience, which at that time was largely directed by gentle men from Geneva, Leyden, Amsterdam, and the Low Countries. While thus engaged he was, under pretext of union, finally and fatally subjugated by the Scot. A few years later he embarked on the swelling tide of party politics in all their attendant purity; since which he has seldom been allowed to look back, and never forward.

I submit that such a nightmare of national experiences would have driven an unmixed race to the edge of lunacy. But the Englishman is like a built-up gun barrel, all one temper though welded of many different materials, and he has strong powers of resistance. Roman, Dane, Norman, Papist, Cromwellian, Stuart, Hollander, Hanoverian, Upper Class, Middle Class, Democracy, each in turn through a thousand years experimented on him and tried to make him to their own liking. He met them each in turn with a large silent toleration, which each in turn mistook for native stupidity. He gave them each in turn a fair trial and, when he had finished with them, an equally fair dismissal. As an additional safeguard he devised for himself a social system in watertight compartments, so arranged that neither the waters of popular emotion nor the fires of private revenge could sweep his ship of State from end to end. If, in spite of this, the domestic situation became too much for him he could always take a ship and go to sea, and there seek or impose the peace which the Papal Legate, or the Mediaeval Trade Union, or a profligate Chancellor of the Exchequer denied to him at home. And thus, gentlemen—not in a fit of absence of mind—was the Empire born. It was the outcome of the relaxations of persecuted specialists—men who for one cause or another were unfit for the rough and tumble of life at home. They did it for change and rest, exactly as we used to take our summer holidays, and, like ourselves, they took their national habits with them. For example, they did not often gather together with harps and rebecks to celebrate their national glories, or to hymn their national heroes. When they did not take them both for granted, they, like ourselves, generally denied the one and did their best to impeach the other. But, by some mysterious rule-of-thumb magic, they did establish and maintain reasonable security and peace among simple folk in very many parts of the world, and that, too, without overmuch murder, robbery, oppression, or torture.

One secret of the success of the English was, perhaps, their imperturbable tolerance. A race that has been persecuted, or—what comes to the same thing—bored, by every persecuted refugee to whom they have ever given an asylum, naturally learns to tolerate anything. Their immensely mixed origin, too, made the English in a very real sense “akin to all the universe”, and sympathetic in their dumb way with remote Gods and strange people. Above all, their long insular experience of imported brain-storms had taught them that men should not try to do better than good for fear lest worse than bad might follow. And there has been enough of worse than bad in the world for the last few years. Our national weakness for keeping to the easiest road to the latest possible minute sooner than inconvenience ourselves or our neighbours has been visited upon us full tale. After ninety-nine years of peace the English were given ninety-six hours in which to choose whether they would buy a little longer peace from the Heathen of the North, as some of their ancestors had done, or whether they would make peace with them as our King Alfred made it with the Danes. It was a race that had almost forgotten how to say “No” to anybody who said “Yes” in a sufficiently loud voice. It seemed as if it had quite forgotten that it had broken a Church, killed a King, closed a Protectorate and exiled another King, sooner than be driven where it did not want to go. But when its hour came, once again it decided to go its own way, and once again by instinct. For it had prepared nothing—it had foreseen nothing. It had been assured that not only was there no need for preparation against war, but that the mere thought of preparation against war was absurd where it was not criminal. Therefore, through the first two years of the war, it was necessary to throw up a barricade of the dead bodies of the nation’s youth behind which the most elementary preparations could be begun.

There has been no such slaughter of the English in English history, but the actual war was no more than a large-scale repetition of previous national experiences. If an Elizabethan Statesman (or adventurer) could have returned to England during the war he would, I think, in a very short time have been able to pick up his office work almost where he dropped it. His reports and his maps would have been a little more detailed, but he would have been surprisingly abreast of the whole situation.

Where the old English influence had struck deep all the world over, he would have seen help and comfort hurried up to all the fronts from all the world over without count or tale, without word or bond to limit or confirm it. Where the old alien influences that he knew so well had persisted, or where the new influences directed by the old were at work, he would have seen, as he would have expected, all help for the war denied, withheld, or doled out grudgingly, piecemeal at a high price. He would have recognised that what held firm in the days of the Armada held firm at Armageddon: that what had broken beneath his hand then was rotten in our hand now. Bar a few minor differences of equipment, he would have felt just like any sailor or soldier returning to some bitterly familiar job of sea-patrol or trench life between ’14 and ’18. Like those men he would have taken for granted a great deal upon which other nations might have wasted valuable thought and attention. Our stories of Coronel and Zeebrugge, of the English county battalions not one year old that died to the last man as a matter of routine on the fronts that they were ordered to hold, would have moved him no more and no less than the little affair of Sir Richard Grenville off Flores, in the Revenge. That troopers of County Yeomanry in Mesopotamia, picked almost at random, could, single-handed and by sheer force of character, control and conciliate in a few days a turbulent Arab village, would have amazed him no more and no less than any tale of Panama, or of our first venture across the world, told him by Sir Francis Drake or any forgotten captain of the same age. Being of the breed he would have known the breed and would have taken the work of the breed for granted.

And herein, as I see it, lies the strength of the English—that they have behind them this continuity of immensely varied race-experience and race-memory, running equally through all classes back to the very dawn of our dawn. This imposes on them unconsciously, even while they deny or deride it, standards of achievement and comparison, hard perhaps, and perhaps a little unsympathetic, but not low—not low—and, as all earth is witness, not easily to be lowered. And that is the reason why in the things nearest our hearts we praise so little and criticise so lavishly. It is the only compliment which an Englishman dare pay to his country.

As you know, our standards of achievement and comparison do not appear on the surface; nor are they much in men’s mouths. When they are, they are mostly translated into terms of sport or the slang of our various games. But whenever the English deal in earnest with each other, or with the outside world, those standards are taken for granted. And it is by the things that we take for granted without word that we live. It was taken for granted during the war that every day was St. George’s Day, on one or other of our seven fronts.

And now, we and our kin, after these great years, are sick, dizzy, and shaken—like all convalescents, a little inclined to pity ourselves, a little inclined to stay as long as possible on a diet of invalid slops, and a little more than inclined to mistake the hysteria of convalescence for the symptoms of returning life and thought. Here also instinct tells us that the weight, the range, and the evenly spread richness of our national past should ballast us sufficiently to navigate through whatever storms—or brain-storms—there may be ahead. And we are threatened with several.

One school of thought, Muscovite in origin, holds, as the Danes held twelve hundred years ago, that rapine and scientific torture will elevate our ideals, which up to the present have merely taught us to try to do our duty to our God and our neighbour. Others are content to work for the organised bankruptcy of whatsoever is of good repute, including the systematic betrayal of our friends, very much on the same lines as some people used to panic after every Crusade and every visitation of the plague. We are further promised an unparalleled outbreak of education, guaranteed to produce a standardised State-aided mind. The Church evolved almost a parallel system in the Middle Ages, which, much to her surprise, produced the Reformation.

Lastly, lest we should ever again lapse into our “pathetic contentment”, the breed which organised at a week’s notice to achieve the impossible and achieved it—by earth, sea, and air achieved it—is now, as a reward, to be ruthlessly reorganised in every detail of its life, walk, and conduct. That great work was begun by William the Conquerer, Anno Domini 1066, and has been before Committee or Commission ever since.

Norman, Papist, Cromwellian, Stuart, Hollander, Hanoverian, Upper Class, Middle Class, Democracy, have each in turn tried their fleeting hand on the “man akin to all the Universe”. From each in turn he has taken what he wanted; to each in turn he has given a fair trial; and, when he has quite finished, an equally fair dismissal.

What will he do in the future?. We are too near to the dust of the main battle to see clearly. We know that England is crippled by the loss and wastage of a whole generation, and that her position, from the civil point of view to-day, is the position of our armies in the darkest days of the war. That is to say, all leave is stopped for any man who can manage to stand up to his job, no matter how sick or stale he may feel himself to be, and there is undreamed-of promotion for untried men who, simply because they are not dead, will now have to face heavier responsibility, longer hours, and criticism that certainly will not grow milder as the years pass. But no miracles have occurred.

This world of ours, which some of us in their zeal to do better than good have helped to create, but which we must all inherit, is not a new world, but the old world grown harder. The wheel has come full circle. The whole weight of the world at the present moment lies again, as it used to lie in the time of our fathers, on the necks of two nations, England and France. The sole force under God’s good Providence that can meet this turn of our fate, is not temperament, not opportunism, nor any effort to do better than good, but character and again character—such mere ingrained, common-sense, hand-hammered, loyal strength of character as one humbly dares to hope that fifteen hundred years of equality of experience have given us.

If this hope be true—and because we know the breed in our hearts we know that it is true—if this hope be justified, our children’s children, looking back through the luminous years to where we here stumble and falter, will say to themselves: “Was it possible—was it possible that the English of that age did not know, could not see, dared not even guess, to what height of strength, wisdom, and enduring honour they had lifted their land?”

But we will be circumspect! My lords, ladies and gentlemen—for what there is of it—for such as it is—and for what it may be worth—will you drink to England and the English?

23 April 2007 16:22 by mike ball

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Absolutely should St George's Day be a public holiday!! It is!!! Take it!!! (Maybe they won't pay you.) This year. But if enough people take it anyway; and say why they're taking it. What then?!! This is OUR country!!! Not theirs!!! Don't be bullied!!!
23 April 2007 17:52 by scorpio

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Brilliant Graham, more power to your elbow! I'm with you 100%

Pete. Bexley
25 April 2007 17:58 by Not Giving Up On Britain Just Yet

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Hey,

Was looking for info on St George's Cross and its legal status when I found this. I completely support the petition above (now duly signed) calling for St George's day to be made a bank holiday. Aside from the fact the UK gets fewer bank holidays than almost everyone else in the EU (so we're owed a couple), it always seemed strange that England never really bothered about their saints day the way Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland do.

Now it seems that the people want it so it's time the politicians followed.

I'm not sure about linking it to an English parliament though. An English Parliament is fine if your ultimate goal is an independent England, but I think it would be damaging to the stability of the UK. The idea of regional assemblies would allow more accountability at a more local level and if the specific regions Labour proposed were the problem maybe that can be looked at.

Frankly, I'm not sure what devolution has or will achieve for Northern Ireland, but I suspect not much. And generally anything the Scottish or Welsh (and, in theory, Northern Irish*) executives put through they have to pay for out of their own budget.

Someone mentioned above breaking up the Union and deporting everyone who was British but not English, Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish. That's ridiculous and seems like little more than thinly veiled racism and gives the whole pro-England movement a bad name. You'd do well to disassociate yourselves from sentiments like that. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the celebration of traditional English identity, but I see it as a part of something bigger, a shared history and culture that transcends the UK (or even the British Isles).

<em>* I accept Northern Ireland has had something extra in terms of investment in recent years to make up for underinvestment and years of stuff being blown up, but long-term it will have to choose how to manage a set budget.</em>
01 May 2007 23:16 by Andy Rowland

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Well said, does no one want to be ENGLISH any more!!!!!
22 April 2008 16:42 by Dines' Days

# Cry `God for Harry, England and Saint George'

HERE we are again. Another St George's Day tomorrow but apart from some token flag raising over 10 Downing...