Ipswich: Bold new bid unveiled to improve links between town centre and Waterfront, develop cultural offerings and attract new retailers to Ipswich

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Monday, June 2, 2014
9:00 AM

A bid to boost Ipswich by attracting new national and international investment has been unveiled by a group representing businesses and authorities across the town.

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The Greater Ipswich Partnership is made up of the county and borough councils, the chamber of commerce, Ipswich Central, and UCS with support from the New Anglia Local Enterprise Partnership.

They have come up with nine priorities to develop the town and turn it into a major destination for those from outside and to make it more attractive to those who live in Ipswich.

These priorities are:

1. Further improvements to the town’s Waterfront by completing the redevelopment.

2. Improving the town centre, especially the quality of the retail offer by improving the Cornhill.

3. Stimulating new development of offices and shops, especially by ensuring development sites are completed.

4. Supporting an ongoing promotion to boost the image of Ipswich across a wide area.

5. Co-ordinating marketing efforts aimed at bringing investment to the town.

6. Improving the town’s cultural life to enable it to develop as a visitor attraction.

7. Integrating the Waterfront with the town centre.

8.Making it easier to travel around the town.

9. Improving the links between the town centre and the railway station.

Ipswich Council leader David Ellesmere said it was important that the level of agreement was recognised: “This is the first time we have got all these organisations to agree on these kind of priorities,” he said.

John Dugmore said the involvement of both the private and the public sector was crucial: “These are priorities that have to be tackled by both sectors and it is very important that we have been able to come together like this.”

Ipswich has much going for it – its location makes it easily accessible to the City of London, it has good links to Cambridge and the largest container port in the country is just down the road.

County council chief executive Deborah Cadman said: “This is a vital strategy document for the county and the county town. There is no reason why we should not be able to really see the benefit over the next few years.”

And UCS provost Richard Lister whose Waterfront campus is the base for hundreds of students from a wide area said the town did need to sell its attractions – many students were pleasantly surprised when they arrived in Ipswich.

Ipswich Central chairman Terry Baxter said the vision document was vital for the town.

He said: “The organisations that comprise this partnership have come together with one outcome in mind; to make Ipswich – Suffolk’s county town and East Anglia’s premier Waterfront town – an even better place.

“We want to make it a better place to do business in, a better place to live in, a better place to work in, a better place to attract inward investment, and a better place to bring our children up in.”

Improving the cultural attraction to Ipswich is seen as vital in raising the profile of the town which could make it more attractive for people to live in, for companies to relocate to, and for more tourists to visit.

The partners are agreed that while the retail offer in the town needs to improve, it is never likely to rival other regional centres like Norwich or Cambridge.

However the cultural and leisure offering in the town – emphasised by its parks, the Waterfront, the potential from the rebuilding of the museum as the “High Street Campus” should give the town much to build on.

There is also hope that the rebirth of the Cliff Quay approach, centred on the old Tolly Cobbold brewery, will soon start to move forward again.

With all partners working together they hope to emulate the success of other places around the country that have re-invented themselves for the 21st century.

One of the most spectacular of these has been Hull, which had a reputation for being run-down and poverty-hit but has seen a renaissance of its docks and its cultural life.

It’s theatre has become very important and its links with William Wilberforce have now turned the city into a major destination – even though it is not known as a region-wide retail centre.

It has now been chosen as the new UK City of Culture.

59 comments

  • @Tonyb - business rate are set by central government and are linked the the "value' of a property, as many properties are part of a portfolio many owners re reluctant to have them re-valued - to today's market value rather than at the peak as it will reduce the value of the portfolio so it's a bit of a catch 22. IBC already offer cheap parking on all their sites, the private ones can only follow if they want to. And as for the empty shops - well they are the responsibility of their owners. Why should the tax payer pay to spruce them up? To a degree i agree and think the same route as has been taken with the shops on Orwell street where the owner demolishes and IBC landscape if the owner contributed something to improve the shop or the area and IBC added value that could really work well. That's a better way to spend the tax payers money. I'd also like to see IBC strategically purchase sites to "block" developments which neutralise each other. As just may have happened with the Odeon purchase, not that may open as a cinema again it will stop Vue developing the Buttermarket. This seems to happen a lot these developments keep cancelling each other out.

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    Scott Brock

    Friday, June 6, 2014

  • Cut business rates,provide cheap parking and put money into re-furbing several sad looking shops that might attract a few more shoppers into the town and do away with charity,phone and pound shops which is all there seems to be!!

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    tonyb

    Friday, June 6, 2014

  • @Ipswich Entrepreneur: Don't look for logic in the moderation process on these comments' pages; there is no logic, no sense, no reasoning. There are only decisions based on lack of intelligence. A year or so ago I wrote a comment on why I thought the waterfront, railway station and town centre should have been integrated and it was rejected. Why? No possible reason; only perhaps that it was better written and more though-out than some of the rubbish they produce themselves. So don't sweat it Ipswich Entrepreneur; just wait for the day they decline so deeply that they exist no more.

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    Johnthebap

    Thursday, June 5, 2014

  • When I read "Bold new bid" i thought excellent some pland or something... only to find out... nope just another group set up! Probably to decide the best way to waste tax payers money.

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    CleverReporting

    Wednesday, June 4, 2014

  • That comment seemed to get through. Hope this one does too... are we not forgetting the horrible redesign of the Cornhill that is intended to attract shoppers and retailers here to the town? ***** Its a massive obstacle to get round... and you will have to climb stairs... if I can recall the main part of its made of wood that is surely going to rot and look terrible when wet? How about those with disabilities or the elderly, how will they get past the steps? ***** All the Cornhill needs is repaving (not the slippery slabs) and a feature. Perhaps a water fountain or some raised flower beds? Definitely not trees, they block the view and make the place look smaller. No market either... put it in nearby streets. Add some seating too. Everything would look new and modern (simply because it is) - be much cheaper also. ***** Its not just horrible design which has been selected and is going ahead at some point... it isn't a central point or plaza for the town... it actually divides it into two! Remember... less people come from Westgate Street.. and that is where the 3 major department stores are.. Debenhams, M&S and Primark... could any one of them withdraw because of this? This will destroy the town. Likewise, perhaps people would only come from Westgate Street direction (the car parks near Wolsey Theatre, bus stop on St Matthews Street etc) in future to get to those 3 stores... and not go further into the town? ***** I just hope I didn't get the memo advising everyone that the Cornhill project has been shelved. The Cornhill project is merely a north portal to take you to the waterfront... it doesn't take into consideration any retail except the independents in the saints area of town (on the way to the waterfront!) Its extremely unlikely anyone would come from the waterfront to the Cornhill, then to shop...

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    Ipswich Entrepreneur

    Wednesday, June 4, 2014

  • Well, my long critical reply to Scott was rejected by a site moderator. Well, my long critical reply to Scott was rejected by a site moderator. Well, my long critical reply to Scott was rejected by a site moderator. Well, my long critical reply to Scott was rejected by a site moderator. Well, my long critical reply to Scott was rejected by a site moderator. Why Ipswich Star refuses to publish it? Does Scott work for Ipswich Star?

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    Ipswich Entrepreneur

    Wednesday, June 4, 2014

  • Waspie's wife..I am old enough to remember an Ipswich town, full of shops. Department stores. Buses on the Cornhill. It is now a shadow of it's former self. Instead of drawing trade away with out of town units they should be in the town, with car park facilities, free. If spaces can be provided free out of town, then there is no reason not to in town. You can't give one form of retail a bigger advantage, unless you want, in the modern world to kill off the town? The market should not be where it is. It should be a pleasant area, to sit and eat with one or two shady trees. We used to have a day in town, stop for coffee. It's a shell of its former self. M&S, should be bigger, so should Next, Boots still going strong, Debenhams. Those existing stores need to have help to draw in more trade. Woollies, Co op, could be supermarkers, plenty of car park space. If it is to compete with internet, it must be user friendly. Not expensive to use. Young shops like Zara and Mango to go with River Island. Specialist food shop, deli, fish, butcher, Homeware. Something for eveyone in a covered arcade, with character. When I go to town, the waterfront is not on my mind, it's, ease, choice, plesantness and time limited.

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    waspie

    Wednesday, June 4, 2014

  • Let me introduce you to clever budgie who commented further down the column without introducing himself. Budgie aka parrot since he repeats himself relentlessly supposes himself to be a big Norwich fan although he doesn't actually watch them play, preferring to spend time sending comments to the EADT. Folks, you have seen the quality of these posts and I promise you, they don't get any better.

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    tel

    Wednesday, June 4, 2014

  • Maybe the biggest issue after all, mentioned in a recent posting by Scott Brock (a clear and positive thinker of the type who should be part of the team looking into Ipswich's future), is that of online retail. I shop in Ipswich for trivial items ('pound shops' stuff, birthday cards, reduced price food items at M&S and Waitrose) but as soon as I want something costing over about £5 I am on the internet. That is because often the items are cheaper, there are no parking fees (the death sentence for Ipswich Town Centre) and they bring it to me. My retail life centres around online food shopping, Ebay, Amazon, Freecycle etc. Perhaps many readers will think this is the way for the younger generation but in one year I collect my pension! And if this is the way for the younger generation then there is little hope for the future of town centre shopping EXCEPT that I think we may be seeing the end of the age of the internet due to increasingly frequent cyber attacks making it too insecure; the next few years will be very telling.

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    Johnthebap

    Tuesday, June 3, 2014

  • @Ips Ent - yeah i don't see where i said people don't stop at multiple shops? If you continue to draw people away from town then you can't argue why there are no shops there people want to visit. It just figures, the more people or live work and socialise in a town the more retailers you'll attract. The move towards out of town shopping, living and working has directly contributed to the death of the high street as well as online. That is a fact. Town centres needs to fight back by being attractive places to visit by being about experience. For example i was in Birmingham last week and i visited the Museum and the cinema and had lunch.. all in the city centre within walking distance of each other and in the main shopping area. And I can guarantee you Ips Ent if you or any of the other armchair leaders who frequent this site were in power very little would change, because you'd soon realise how bound you are by Central government (business rates), bureaucracy, a silly two-tier political system (try getting the roads fixed by SCC) and retailers who you'd be surprised wont just turn up because you click your fingers, developers who want to make a profit rather than building what you want and private carparks who want to make a profit. It all well and good to SAY what you would do, but doing it is another matter...

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    Scott Brock

    Tuesday, June 3, 2014

  • Scott, your positivity about the town is great to see, but you are living in the very late 20th century... people go shopping stopping at multiple supermarkets or retailers... ***** How many people shop at Sainsburys for instance but decide to pop in to Argos or Next while they are out and about? How many people go to KFC or McDs on the way back from ASDA or B&Q? How many people go to Tesco then go to Toys R Us or Currys? ***** Out of Town retail is at the same level of high street retail. Whether you shop at Tesco, Morrisons, Sainsburys, Waitrose, ASDA... they are all within each reach of the A12 and A14... not far to go in a car... so are most out of town non-food retailers (electrical, clothing etc)... it wouldn't be less unlikely to visit an out of town leisure park and retail park shops also, than it is to town centre shop after going to Crown Pools. ***** People are no longer mixing retail and leisure together as much as they did 10-20 years ago. People are also spending less whilst shopping. Times change - you have to keep on top of trend changes - unlike Ipswich. ***** People like you Scott keep supporting a poor administration and there wont be change. If I (or any of the other critical awake people commenting here) ran IBC, the town would be transformed in 10 years. Too much making the mistake of trying to be unique... Nooo... look at what is good about Colchester, Norwich, Cambridge and Bury St Edmunds... and replicate it. ***** Compete with the oldest town claims directly with Colchester, let people visit both and work it out for themselves... its not far away from each other. Build a futuristic shopping centre like The Arc with multi-story car parking to support it. Bury St Edmunds had the right idea while we were snoozing. Perhaps in Carr Street. ***** We are constantly building more housing (most are flats) but this hasn't made any difference in regards to attracting retailers. The council needs to focus on full retail occupancy to show prosperity.. doesn't matter if a shop is breaking even or even making a loss. If you can give the impression that shops are doing well and avoid the to let boards... the big names will come as they want a slice. Overall, only the council has the power to enforce CBD policy as they can compulsory purchase property as a worst case scenario.

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    Ipswich Entrepreneur

    Tuesday, June 3, 2014

  • @Ips Ent - thank God you're not in charge of IBC... Crown Pool absolutely should not be on the edge of town... Moving to out of town is part of what's causing the problems in the town centre more things need to be there to keep people coming... town centres are about more than just shopping these days, habits have changed and people want to combine leisure, culture and shopping trips.

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    Scott Brock

    Tuesday, June 3, 2014

  • @Chris Church - that's just silly. No one is saying get rid of the market they are saying put it in a location which means we can make the most of the cornhill as a social space and have BOTH side by side rather than one or the other. The option to move the market to Princes street means shifting it all of 50 yards which would make no difference to trade or your ability to use the market or it's prominence from the main thoroughfare as it would be highly visible to passers by. The market is good, particularly when it has the specialist food stalls as well, but it looks all over the place where it is, there's no clear routes and it just gets in the way. Like someone else said the town needs open spaces to sit down and eat and drink.

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    Scott Brock

    Tuesday, June 3, 2014

  • Ipswich Borough Council is too authoritative. They like having a monopoly in certain areas... one.. transport (through arms length Ipswich Buses), two... leisure (i.e. Crown Pools) and three... entertainment (i.e. The Regent etc) - These areas are all commercial areas that have been hindered due to the local Government's insistence and arrogance of having to be "in control". *** Ipswich Buses used to be one of the best bus services in the country as it wasn't abused by some profit-hungry Plc, but despite it being in IBC ownership, it had been run down to make the company ripe to sell... as soon as the plans fell through, it hasn't improved back to its previous standards. The senior management of the bus company wouldn't have lasted 3 months in private ownership. *** Crown Pools... a lot of people love swimming, its relatively fun for many and very good exercise. IBC has been pouring taxpayer money down the drain on this venture, which shouldn't be in the town centre but on the outskirts of town. The council has refused to rebuild the multi-story car park behind it. Having Crown Pools certainly has prevented Ipswich having a leisure centre (or "water park") with better facilities including water slides. You know, a much cheaper and realistic alternative for SnOasis. Probably much cheaper to build an out of town water park with car parking than the expense on Crown Pools over the years and cost of rebuilding the multi-story *** The Regent... IBC did the right thing by taking it over rather than leaving it to be derelict but its time to sell it off back into the private sector. Like Crown Pools they don't have the parking capacity required to support it either. They are also allowing various ticket-only private events occupied in public parks - without any reinvestment back into such parks or to residents. Guess we should be "grateful" the events are on our doorstep *** No one likes the market on the Cornhill... they want to integrate the town with the waterfront, I mean the waterfront with the town... why not move the market to the waterfront? They could do with increasing retail down there...

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    Ipswich Entrepreneur

    Tuesday, June 3, 2014

  • I assume that every person who calls for the market to be moved doesn't use the market! Going by the same logic all the car parks should be closed and built on since I walk into town and therefore don't need a car. Also, all the coffee shops can be closed as I don't drink coffee!

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    Chris Church

    Tuesday, June 3, 2014

  • But none of us are quite as stupid are we cleaver budgie. End of!

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    David White

    Tuesday, June 3, 2014

  • Just like our football club, Norwich City is by far a better place than ipswich.End of

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    clever budgie

    Tuesday, June 3, 2014

  • @mmm - it's not either or it should also be on the table. But it isn't likely to happen. @Geoff - Stuart Rose's 200k was based on no real sums at all you really wouldn't achieve much with that other than a few planters and some seating. Better than nothing, but not really enough to make a difference.

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    Scott Brock

    Tuesday, June 3, 2014

  • Or spend the time and energies of all these parties to actively promote the construction of a Northern Bypass for the town. And by doing so ensure our economic future by attracting more business here to take advantage of our excellent location and infrastructure. Get that right and the rest will follow... We don't have the a population with adequate disposable income to support the fine town centre those of us already here would like, and if we allow our infrastructure to grind to a halt as we seem to be doing currently we can only look forward to further degeneration. Just my 2p worth. :)

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    mmm

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • It wasn't long ago that Stuart Rose delivered a speech in which he said he could transform the Cornhill for a comparative pittance. Reading through the list it's obvious that the people involved do not have a clue. Nice though the Waterfront is, the part of the town centre that needs to be developed is the town centre. I think it would be a very good idea to get the Ipswich Society involved in improving the town. In my opinion the people responsible for drawing up this list are collectively responsible for a lot of the problems facing the town centre. Bring in some new faces and some new ideas and get the town centre sorted out once and for all. Ipswich will never be able to compete with Cambridge aesthetically, but it can regain some pride.

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    BigGeoff

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • Empty words and false promises as usual. You can guarantee one thing and that is another statue and more unneeded road works and traffic lights .

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    chantry

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • Never Gonna Happen.

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    You What

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • I'd like to see the Buttermarket Bus Station moved and replaced with the market. It would mean extra space, more stalls and nearer the waterfront. The Cornhill would look great with more outside eateriesbars. Although until we can entice a big name like John Lewis in to the high street, it will never attract enough customers.

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    Jam

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • well done, they have come up with a list. They should have done that years ago and done something about it!

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    gusbertbrown

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • So this quango are proposing priority fixes for the problems they largely created in the first place. I wonder why people have little or no confidence in them. I agree with the calls to move the market, and as for improving the connectivity between the town centre and the docks, well there's an extremely busy one way system in between which cannot be moved, so there's always going to be a natural barrier between the two. Another problem for the docks is that no public transport goes anywhere near it, and approaching from the railway station or town centre it is an extremely ugly vista.

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    Esco Fiasco

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • Maybe the star would do a piece one what the people of Suffolk would like there county town to be like. Cheaper parking for one.

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    zaax

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • One thing is for sure, positive or negative, people of this town care. Maybe it's time to stop talking and start acting.

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    Just Me

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • Hopefully the "further improvements" to the Waterfront will finally see the demolition of the eyesores that are the R&W Paul and Burtons buildings, and also the "Wine Rack" (if it is not viable to finally finish the thing).

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    Richard Hall

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • @Ted - i agree... Eastgate is now a shop though. I think Queen street and princes street would be perfect it could snake down from opposite the Corn Exhange (so it's very visible from the Cornhill) and then run in two rows down Queen Street where the street is wider. It's flat and it's rectangular which means the layout of the stalls would be easy - all in two rows facing each other instead placed here there and everywhere as on the current market. It would also link the town more with the Saint and of course the all important Waterfront route between the two. Then Mizu, Mannings, the Town Hall tea rooms and the old Clinton cards could have seating spilling onto the Cornhill and then some stalls selling food and drinks at the gateway to Lloyds avenue. It would be lovely

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    Scott Brock

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • @Poppy's Dad i- I agree about moving the market and letting the Cornhill be used for bars and eateries BUT the notion that there are no places to shop or eat in Ipswich is just laughable. IT does lack for some high end brands and some product types and is way too spread out BUT there are over 300 occupied retail units in Ipswich town centre. 300! And before someone jokes they're all betting shops and phone shops etc they really are not. Not even close. No one would pretend the town centre doesn't need a serious boost it does - this is exactly what this article is about. As for nowhere to eat and drink? From Misu, to ra ra's to the tea rooms in the town hall and dial lane to Zizzi's and at least 30 more places i can think or are you really suggesting there is nowhere to eat and drink in the town centre? I mean really???? More needed? Yes. bring it on. But people really do need to open their eyes to the good things Ipswich already has... and they are plentiful.

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    Scott Brock

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • Mark and Poppy both make Salient points, all your read on hear is negativity which isn't going to help, have a moan, yes, but come up with a couple of ideas to help. Strongly agree too, that the market needs to be moved, make the flagship part of the centre, somewhere that looks enticing, the market just makes it a logistical nightmare to get a round. At least in Cambridge the market in bang in the middle so you can walk around it, rather than through it. One idea would be to do something in the old eastgate centre? not sure what's happened to it but would be a good place for the market, there are plenty of areas that would suit it, but the pinnacle of the town centre is disastrous.

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    Tedbundy

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • A nice day out shopping has to have shops ansd places to stop relax eat and drink . Where are these places in the Town Centre ? There are places to stop and drink and eat and chat on the waterfront , but this is too far away from the retail areas . It will take massive investment to join these two areas together and not likely to happen overnight . Get rid of the Market from the Cornhill in my eyes and those i mix with would go a long way to solving the town centres problem , until that is realised why would Private business invest in the area around the cornhill to provide eating and drinking and sitting areas ? Selling stuff is half the battle , providing nice eateries is the other half . The sort of people that visit the town centre (attracted by the type of shopping experience available) do not have the finances to spend what is required by the better quality eateries and hence the vicious circle .

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    Poppys Dad

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • Totally with Scott Brock on this. In fact, a small thing that would make a colossal difference to Ipswich would be a positive attitude. This negativity does nothing except benefit our regional competitors and makes everyone else as miserable as those spinning it. It’s so easy to be an armchair spectator, spitting vitriol on anyone trying to improve the very regional centre which we all depend on. What we need are a few more doers, and people prepared to stand tall for their town. Bringing together the major local government players, stakeholders, and investors is an excellent move. I'd also like them to add a funding forum to the group, because if Ipswich is to reach its potential we need lottery, government and third party investment. You cannot secure it unless you have all the stakeholders singing from the same hymn sheet, and unless the few major organisations we have who can carry out these bids - are unboard - and batting for Ipswich. Furthermore, we should continue the drive for a greater Ipswich authority. People on this forum correctly says that Ipswich is full of smaller properties. That is correct, because Ipswich is unfairly locked in its 20th centry boundaries. All the fruits of our town’s growth, all our high local tax yield suburbs, are in Kesgrave, Martlesham, Rushmere and Pinewood. These subsidize more affluent rural districts such as SCDC & babergh. We should be channelling all this energy to address this inequity and put it right; plus Ipswich restored to a unitary authority (as it was for 775 years). At the very least, there should be a permanent portfolio holder on Suffolk County Council focused on Ipswich's development.

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    Mark Ling

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • @beerlover - come visit the Ipswich Wet Dock. Sounds thrilling. Its a waterfront get over it. As for beauty well who mentioned the new buildings what about the marina? The historical buildings? the new buildings are a million times better then the horrendous silos and factories that were there before... And some of the new additions like the Salthouse extension are lovely. But beauty is subjective so it's up to you but I think you'd have to be a pretty hard to please person not to find something of beauty on the waterfront especially on a sunny day - its wonderful! And I bet if the exact same waterfront existed in Norwich you'd be saying Ipswich needs something just like it. modern buildings look like this they look like it Edinburgh, London and Bristol. Why should Ipswich be any different?

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    Scott Brock

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • Especially the poor selection of lagers, come on Issacs out with the fizzy rubbish and in with the descent lager!. It's not all about prophet surely!. Customer statisfaction?!.

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    Clarky1012

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • ***sigh*** it's like damping down the smouldering ruins of a burned out building isn't it!? The truth is that the waterfront has been developed without any thought to its use. Its great that they want to finish it, but it will always be a glorified housing development without essential amenities unless they put something down there that people will go there for. A smelly river and Issacs is not much of a draw!

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    Sentinel Red

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • OK then. So aren't 1 and 3 more or less the same thing? Finish the Waterfront developments! The Cornhill "Improvements" are dire and will disrupt anything in the centre of town for years to come, whilst ruining a perfectly good, flat space. Again 4, 5 and 6 seem to be the same thing. Improve image to bring people and jobs in but not sure what they plan to do. Road works and half finished developments are certainly not it. I've never work out how they plan to "Integrate the Waterfront with the town centre." Those are two separate spaces that have a huge chunk of housingold industrial between them. The waterfront is basically a place to eat and nothing much else and no decent shop will move in because the only time there is significant footfall is during the two or three events on the waterfront each year. The whole Travel Ipswich program seems counter-intuitive to number 8. As for 9 - what exactly do they plan on doing with that? buses already go to the station from town and it's easy enough to walk it in about 10-15 minutes. They gonna build a travelator? Before the obligatory comments begin I am not against Ipswich. I love this town and the market and would love to see it improved to bring in better shops and such. I just don't think these bodies that are in charge can really understand the point of view of the people who use the town. Hence why someone else already commented on the fact that number 1 priority should be car park charges. I recently needed to quickly get a new vacuum but due to the car parking in town went to Argos at Hadleigh road instead of the town centre one as it was easier to get to and park at even if it was further and took longer!

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    Chris Church

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • @Scott Brock - Sorry, no idea who your Miranda is. I say "so-called waterfront" because it's a stupid marketeer's name for the Wet Dock. One of the most historically important sites in Ipswich, albeit one that's now just full of rich boys' plastic toys. And as for it being a "beautiful place", you're having a laugh! There hasn't been a single attractive building constructed there in all the 21 years I've lived in Ipswich; it almost seems like a building HAS to be ugly in order to get planning permission there. And most of the housing built in the area (like the horrible estate between Duke Street and Fore Hamlet or the flats off Cliff Road) is just cheap, nasty, ugly slums of the future.

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    beerlover

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • Improving the Cornhill will not improve the quality of retail offer in the town centre - I do not go to Norwich or Bury St Edmunds to look at the scenery, I go there to shop because of the quality of the shops. Likewise the Waterfront - while a potentially beautiful part of Ipswich, it is not going to entice people to shop in the town centre - only a good selection of shops will do that.

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    Johnny

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • Nine chances as no mention of cheaper car parking and making Ipswich accessible for car drivers. They can't seem to grab the point that however good Park & Ride might be attracting better retailers won't work as if you are laden with goods bought from these new retailers, you have to unload by taking them on a bus to the outskirts of Ipswich and then choose to return. The advantahe of out of town retail parks is that one can buy goods and take them to the car on the free car park only a matter of yards from the store you bought them from! Car Parking and Traffic Flow are the main reasons people stay away from Ipswich Town Center full stop!

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    england1770

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • Line-breaks please Ipswich Star!!! *** One... Yes, to complete something that stalled is an obvious improvement. *** Two... Improving the Cornhill (especially with such plans no one wanted) doesn't improve retail. Probably encourage street drinkers further in. Cornhill and the Town Hall both have nothing to do with retail despite the location in the heart of the CBD, in a similar way that town centre offices don't either. I am not aware of a town centre being 100% retail.. its not a problem... Cornhill needs to be a public square without thinking retail. *** Three... Forget the Westgate Centre and even Grafton Way development that Tescos axed... 2 minutes down the road from the council offices on Princes Street is a disused unsafe asbestos office block called Connexions opposite the sorting office. Advertising a nice new block for some time now, they wont build it until full capacity of tenants have signed up and paid a deposit.. its close to the railway station, council buildings, court, sorting office, cinema and restaurants, football ground and a couple of minutes walk into town. No one is interested in it. Its a derelict mess. The council should buy the land and develop it. *** Four... Sadly the only promotion Ipswich gets nationally and even globally is when Steve Wright is featured in a new documentary, play, film etc. Shame we couldn't get beiber or someone from 1D to drown at the waterfront to stick it globally on the map. *** Five... Marketing is best kept for promoting a product or service... the people who spend much money on promoting investment opportunities happen to be scammers. People find opportunities, they don't get told about them. In a similar way you don't want an estate agent to say to you ... "it might be a bit of a dump... its damp, rotting, cracks in the walls, has subsidence... and needs tens of thousands spent on it... but its a good opportunity..." but you might view a property where you think "get it at a bit of a discount, re-plaster and redecorate it to your taste and it wont be so bad!" *** Six... The only culture we got is depressed citizens who are very negative about everything, because its all doom and gloom. We could have gone for the history route, but chose the waterfront... now we need £20m for the museum that is only north of the town centre and no where near the waterfront... because the council teamed up with Colchester (who promotes the history!) to save money. *** Seven... The only way to integrate is to bulldoze... physically move the town closer to the waterfront... oh, did we not mention that neither councils want to invest a few thousand in the town let alone any significant investment? A shuttle bus one day a week is the only infrastructure linking the two *** Eight... Walking is easy... driving is not (Travel Ipswich destroyed it). Roads are two narrow and it cannot be rectified without knocking down everything. *** Nine... There is no links, other than too many buses packing in 3 bus stops at the station. There is the saints area... but like I keep saying, the Queen St and St Nicholas plans wont work properly as the roads aren't what they look like on many maps... its not straight over! Furthermore, the 5 or so trees at Giles Circus - as nice as trees are... like in a park or forest! - hinder views... and walking from the new improved Cornhill down Princes Street, bear left to Queen Street to the end (bearing right)... bear left to St Nicholas Street across the road... keep walking... bear left to near the cafe... follow the curves of St Peter Street... bear right to the lights... navigate yourself beyond the church and to the next set of lights... cross the road keep going... then turn left to the derelict part of the waterfront... hardly natural course to walk. Of course, if you are a mad man riding your motorbike motoGP style around the bends and corners it would be quite fun... until you hit someone at least.

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    Ipswich Entrepreneur

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • Here's Plod's bold new 9-point plan for regeneration of the town centre - 1. We could do with a few more "Pound" shops. 2. How about some more 99p shops too? That extra penny makes all the difference. 3. I'd like to see our street beggars issued with those little collapsible fishermen's stools for sitting in their urine-drenched shop doorways. I believe said stools can be purchased in any reputable pound shop. 4. If anybody wants to visit the Waterfront, Mr Geater should personally give them a piggy-back ride from the Cornhill. 5. Couldn't some more of the empty premises in town become charity shops? 6. Mrs Plod says I should stay out of McDonalds, so probably one is about enough for the town centre. 7. Has anybody checked that we've got the full range of phone shops in the Mobile Phone Quarter? 8. Errrr .... 9. That's it.

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    PC Plod

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • The problem with our council and our country as a whole is that it is run by out of touch men in grey suits with grey hair. Nothing in common with the normal working man. Ipswich needs total redevelopment from one end to the other. (Apart form Christchurch park).

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    Tatty81

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • Was my comment not published because I mentioned a vested interest in development between the Town Centre and Waterfront (specifically Lower Brook Street)? If so then oh dear; it means vested interests can promote what they desire and censor what they do not. Time for a big change in Ipswich and the surrounding area and I am not talking about the infrastructure.

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    Johnthebap

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • @ Ipswich Ent - wondered how long it would be before you spun your usual negativity across this forum... It says Ipswich's location is great which is a positive about the town, not that it is great simply because it's near these things. And it's just a quote, he may have said many other things which Ipswich Star chose not to print. This isn't a press release after all, it's a newspaper article

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    Scott Brock

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • 1. Relocate market to Lloyds Avenue with signing on stone archway 2. Redevelop Cornhill with trees, raised beds, pavement cafe and performance stage 3. Pie in the sky idea: huge shopping centre with underground parking encompassing the Odeon and Co-op Department Store linked by a Food Courtglass-windowed bridge across St. Helen's Street

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    Ipswichite

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • Oh dear... Ipswich is so great because.... of London, Cambridge and Felixstowe quite close by... John needs to be taken into the woods... you are singing a towns praises by mentioning nothing about the town... this G.I.P nonsense that no one has ever heard of is a joke... it contains Ipswich Central who is supposed to be doing this anyway... the reason why G.I.P exist surely is because Ipswich Central is failing in its aims? Of course, along with the councils before that itself was formed.

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    Ipswich Entrepreneur

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • Semi-literate rants don't help anyone and only make the writer look stupid. I think a better connection to the waterfront would help, at the moment it feels isolated from the centre of town. St Nicholas Street has been developed well but ends in a sort of no-mans-land before the docks are reached. There is now a free bus service from the central bus station to the docks but this has little publicity, and also leaves from the cattle market, which is well on the way to the docks already. I propose a small road-train, running through the shopping centre and circling through the town via the docks, free to ride. There would be 2 or 3 in a continuous circular route, well publicised and with a fun look, running through the pedestrianised centre, down St Nicholas Street, along the docks and back up into town via. Fore Street and Upper Orwell Street. It would give a more obvious link to the centre and docks than exists now and would be relatively cheap to run.

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    BoBoBolinski

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • @Clowe - hahahaha i think they can manage the walk over princes street bridge for the sake of 20-odd match days a year ;-)

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    Scott Brock

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • @scott, good suggestion how about extending this footway being extended to the football ground for away supporters and thus being segregated from home supporters

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    clowe

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • Good luck with these plans but my first reaction was 'mission impossible', but if the will and finances are there, let's do it.

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    how'd the town do

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • @beerlover - do you ever watch Miranda, where they joke her mother always says "what i call" and then says exactly what everyone else calls it... that's what i think of when you say so-called Waterfront - called so because it is... If it three miles from water i could see your point, but it is indeed a on the waterfront. And the obsession is well placed... it's a beautiful place and a major draw and the more people you bring to live work study and socialise then the better it will be for the town centre as well. They are only five mins walk from each other after all. It's also unique within the region. - there is nothing else quite like it. Let's not be afraid to shout about it. I'm sure if Norwich had something as impressive as the Ipswich Waterfront we'd never hear the end of it.

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    Scott Brock

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • @clowe - agree all good suggestions! I also think havng a footbridge which goes from the station, over the river (beside station hotel) and onto the river path by the old B&Q site would make it easy for people to get to the waterfront and to the bottom of St PetersSt Nicholas to get into town

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    Scott Brock

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • As ever, this stupid obsession with the so-called "waterfront". The town centre's on its backside and no amount of money wasted connecting it with the "waterfront" is going to get it on its feet. And "making it easier to travel around the town" isn't going to happen until Suffolk County Council is abolished and the roads are run by councillors who are actually accountable to the people of Ipswich, rather than someone from Felixstowe who hates Ipswich.

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    beerlover

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • Instead of you lot moaning all the time why dont you do something about it then. All i see is moan moan moan and no suggesting anything! Say your mind to the council by protesting what you want to happen instead of moaning all the time, im sure lot of you enjoy moaning on here!

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    IpswichTownFC4Ever

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • Yes, it is SO VERY important to unite the Town Centre and Waterfront and in doing so redevelop the Archant land presently for sale. Am I surprised our local press keeps pushing for this? No I am not. Call me cynical? Yes.

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    Johnthebap

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • I would do the following to improve the town. 1 make the town centre go from west to east to north to south thus incorporating the waterfront 2 cover the gap between tower ramparts centre and the buttermarket with a roof, thus becomming a covered walkway, such as was done in cambridge 3 A tram system or light rail connecting the rail station to the town and university 4 get rid of the traffic lights and put the roundabouts back plus cheaper parking rates 5 to late now but should have had one big bus station behind the old co-op and woolies with toilets and cafe and real time info and to make existing bus stations car parking space thus allowing acess to town for everyone 6 reduce rates for retail and get a better range of shopping Of course all the above is a pipe dream, but it does not need to be.

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    clowe

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • @ A West - they do nothing, you moan, they do something you moan. Can they win? It's good to see all these organisations working together - especially Suffolk County Council being involved given how much they usually neglect Ipswich. Whilst actions will mean more than intentions at least it's a start and it all points in the right direction for sure. The Cornhill and High street Museum projects are already underway too.

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    Scott Brock

    Monday, June 2, 2014

  • Do-Gooders United what a joke, felixstowe docks has contributed nothing to felixstowe seafront (no pier no spar no gardens), Ipswich waterfront the expensive place to eat and drink has also has contributed nothing to the Town centre. These Do-Gooders have no idea of what direction to go in to improve the Dump of the Town centre, words mean nothing action which work are all we should hear about. Do-Gooders on the council have taken the Town centre apart over 50 years now a new bunch are in the frame to cast there shadow over the cesspit called Ipswich. My solution is spend the 23 Million on a traffic light system which makes it impossible to gain access to the dump of Ipswich job done.

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    a west

    Monday, June 2, 2014

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