Ipswich: Labour hits out at the latest phase of road changes

Members of Ipswich Council at the Tower Ramparts display. Members of Ipswich Council at the Tower Ramparts display.

Friday, January 31, 2014
9:36 AM

Labour members of the borough council have hit out at the county’s consultation over the next phase of Travel Ipswich, claiming they are making it difficult for people to get involved.

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Displays showing proposed changes to three major junctions on the edge of the town centre, and to Queen Street, have been put up in the Tower Ramparts shopping centre by Suffolk County Council.

Proposals to put traffic lights at the junction of Nacton Road and Felixstowe Road at the top of Bishop’s Hill have been controversial, and there is also concern that new lights on Woodbridge Road at the junction of Grimwade Street could hold up traffic.

Ipswich Borough Council leader David Ellesmere said the changes were not part of the original Travel Ipswich scheme, which the Labour Party supports, and it was too difficult for people to give their views.

He said: “There is no one from the county here to explain the proposals to anyone who is interested, and while there are cards for people to fill in, there is nowhere for them to leave them – they have to post them to the council.

“That all makes it very difficult to understand exactly what the issues are and to send in an opinion.

“It is vital to make it as easy as possible for people to take part in these exercises.”

A spokesman for the county council said the displays were clear and it was not possible to have staff on hand every day to explain the issues.

He said: “The proposals are set out online and at various locations in and around the town centre, including Rosehill and Westbourne libraries, Duke Street Pharmacy and Tower Ramparts.

“We have provided Freepost comment cards through the doors of local residents and businesses, and to those visiting the displays.

“We want as many local people as possible to take part in the consultation by giving their view on the proposals, to support this we’ve provided an email address for members of the public to contact us direct.”

28 comments

  • You only have to look at all the white middle class, middle aged, male, overweight Tory county councillors to realise that their plan to completely ruin Ipswich, and Felixstowe too for that matter, will go ahead no matter what the Ipswich public say. They all live miles away in the countryside and don't have to deal with the mess they inflict, except when they have to drive to Endeavour House for their meetings all expenses paid of course! The County Councillors treat Ipswich the same way their colleagues in Government treat every other part of the country north of Watford, with utter disregard and contempt. Unitary Authority for Ipswich should have happened long ago, and these self serving county councillors could then crawl back to their thatched cottages and holiday homes all those miles away the "big town".

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    england1770

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • @m01- the County Council may be to blame for a lot of it but parking prices? have a word with the people in the picture because parking is Ipswich Borough Councils little moneymaking scheme, as well as the rents on council houses of course.

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    Citizen

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • All this 'so called' improvement, seems to me just people with too much of our money to spend 'justifying' their positions !, surely it would not be to difficult to find much more 'constructive' schemes which urgently need doing ?

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    freedomf

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • I've said it before and I'll say it again. The council do not want to hear the opinion of the public unless it is in agreement with them. This is why it is so hard to actually talk to someone about proposed changes - they just don't want to hear complaints. The councils (IBC and SCC) do not serve the public as they should, only themselves. I doubt anyone who makes these stupid decisions lives anywhere near areas affected and therefore ave no clue and don't have to suffer once the changes are made!

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    Chris Church

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • The reason the display is unmanned in Tower Ramparts may well have to do with "delighted response" the residents of Ipswich have to their £21m throttleipswich scheme. Woodbridge Rd a relatively free flowing road to be UTMC controlled to guarantee queues, Nacton RdBishop's Hill to lessen the queues on docks let's make them queue somewhere else. Just going to check the bus times on the electronic boards promised for end of January . . . . hmmmmm

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    dale craven

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • Miguel. The point of the bus lane is simple. To allow the council to hold the traffic up quite badly then screw them with another set of lights. They found it easier than having to keep justifiying roadworks ( plus it was more expensive )

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    Mr cynical

    Saturday, February 1, 2014

  • Should anyone have an intrest in the facts( as opposed to the usual rants) the travelipswich.co.uk website is very informative. In summary; the plan seems to be to put lights on the main routes into town which when functioning will allow traffic to be managed at the periphery rather than jammed up in the centre. The secondary purpose is to provide improved opportunity for people to walk, cycle of use buses to get into town. All this sounds pretty good to me, the councils don't seem to have done a good job explaining it though and I think that's what this story is actually about.

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    IanW

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • Can anyone see the point of that bus lane in Star lane , The bus get passed the light's then stop at the bus stop , it either hold up all the traffic or the traffic go passed it in the other lane thus putting the bus back where it was in the first place

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    MIGUEL100

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • I am quite defendant of a lot of the schemes around Ipswich, as I feel they are very positive. I tend to agree with the bus lane on norwich Road however. It is not used enough to be justified. Remove it and install 2 mandatory cycle lanes on both sides of Norwich Road. The cycle lane heading out of town is not wide enough and it would be safer to have no lane at all.

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    ipswichLAD

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • Nobody has also noticed that although on Norwich Rd change they are not putting in a traffic light junction they are; 1. They are narrowing the road outside the old folks home, so no double lane queue comming to roundabout, all the traffic that slips down the inside and turns left down Chevalier St will be sitting in the same queue as those going up Norwich Rd. 2. They are making the lights coming down Norwich Rd in to town to cover 3 lanes in one go so people walking over those lights will need a very long time to cross. Hence more queues where as now that crossing is split in two.So that people go across each section quicker. As for the Bus Lanes, they are the reason for the problems on Norwich Rd. A number of years ago the Torry councilors promised to remove them. When they got in power, did they, not a chance ! If the stupid lights at Old Norwich Rd were removed, a mini roundabout put in at Meridith and Ashcroft Rd then the whole road would flow. The problem you have is that all us 10's of thousands who live and work in Ipswich don't have the time to attend endless boring consultation commitees, but the people who do are the disabled and elderly who sit at these meetings whinging on about not enough traffic lights or pedestrian lights, or the highligt at this weeks North West Area Committee somebody asking for all the lights down Norwich Rd to stay red for longer to allow disabled people who are slow walkers to cross. My view maybe a little harshly is if your that slow you realy should be getting taxi's and not walking. And just so you know the reason that the huge queues have appeared in Yarmouth Rd and West End Rd at the lights with London Rd is the County Council because of one of these requests have significantly increased the pedestrian time on red severly limiting (3 cars at a time out of West End Rd) the number of cars that can get through the lights. Even when it's able bodied people or cyclists crossing the road. Hence why Portman Rd is getting stuffed as all the people at AXA give up on West End Rd as a way to get home. So the motto is if you want to stop these things you need to go to every area council meeting or submit emails on changes at consultations not just write on here. This week 10 people turned up to see Mr Newman the man responsible and half of those were there to beg for grants. If you can't be bothered to give up 2hrs one evening don't moan.

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    The Ginge

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • The Ginge - "if your that slow you realy should be getting taxi's and not walking". Please read that back to yourself. It is very warped logic.

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    ipswichLAD

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • Trixia , its top secret mate only SCC special branch have the code to that web page , ?

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    MIGUEL100

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • Do you honestly think they'll listen to anyone?

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    Mary Mary

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • It's a case of kettle calling the pot black

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    pandy

    Saturday, February 1, 2014

  • It's no wonder they tried to sneak the lights on Bishop's hill through without telling anybody. It only came out when someone at IBC found out and publicised it. And the reaction to this bonkers scheme was exactly as anybody would predict. I'm not interested in hearing that Graham Newman is going to *LISTEN* to the people, I want to hear that he'll *ACTION* what they tell him. I doubt he will, but at least if enough of us object we can make sure he can't pretend to be messing up south-east Ipswich with the approval of the people. Never forget that this man who claims the Princes Street lights are "a success" lives in and represents Felixstowe. So his life and his voters' lives aren't going to be blighted by this idiotic idea.

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    beerlover

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • The bus lane in Norwich Road was installed for the Park and Ride scheme. Why are they still there and why do other bus lanes in town still operate when the buses are off the road?

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    amsterdam81

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • well thats sure some major road change in Ipswich if "Woodbridge Road at the junction of Grimwade Street" is being done.

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    beerbaron

    Saturday, February 1, 2014

  • IpswichLad:- The point I was trying to make is that however brave, independant and defient of old age or disability people are, there comes a point where we all have to say actualy I am not safe on a crossing or driving. Having had elderly relatives reach that point recently I know how hard that decision can be. As an example there is a guy on my Mums estate who I have known for 40 odd years, was always very independant, great cyclist etc but he has had ill health of late and it know takes him 5 minutes to cross the lights on Norwich Rd which just isn't safe. As the bus stops right outside his house and he qualifies for a free bus pass, getting the bus to the shops might be a better idea than relying on all the cars stopping for him crossing a very busy road. We all have nothing but admiration for his efforts, but is it safe ? Or the best way to ge somewhere, I am not too sure.

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    The Ginge

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • Letter to my S.C.C Councillor. I would like register my disgust on how S.C.C treats Ipswich. We will never be able to compete with Norwich if our own County Council doesn’t support us. They have spent millions on bringing transport in Ipswich to gridlock. No support for Ipswich traders with sky high parking charges. Why put parking metres in Fonnereau Road and Soane Street. You could park there for a few minutes and nip into Town to shop. Now half the time the road is empty. Bus lanes along Norwich Road that don’t need traffic lights but could have right of way where they merge. I would like to know how they work out the traffic light phasing. You get 5 seconds at Bolton Lane which means frustrated drivers jump the lights. The poor traffic management is so bad that most people think it’s all done deliberately. Why do Councillor's based all over the County have such a say in Ipswich matters. The sooner we become a Unitary Authority the better

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    m01

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • The Travel Ipswich scheme is about controlling the traffic, making it safer for pedestrians and better for public transport, not necessarily making easier to drive from A to B. Traffic lights are better than roundabouts in that respect. Look at the traffic flow along Bishops Hill and Duke St in morning rush hour into town now, compared to what it was before the lights were there. Everyone was 'rat-running' Back Hamlet, so those who had to use the other roads had to give way to them. Every morning was tailed back beyond the top of Bishops Hill and sometimes it tailed back to Cliff Lane on Holywells RdDuke St. Everyone gets a fair chance now and traffic keeps moving. Except when the Bridge closes, which is an altogether different argument. No-one is giving Travel Ipswich a chance the lights are - expecting an instant improvement, which isn't going to happen. There may be some initial 'pain' - I say give it a chance and stop moaning.

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    Locks69

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • Travel ipswich website Jams Jams Jams Traffic lights Accident Jumper from the bridge. There you go just make it a permenant page no need to update it ist the same every day.

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    Mr cynical

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • A spokesman for SCC said “The proposals are set out online" .....well just been on SCC website and got fed up trying to find where these proposals are "ONLINE" !!!!...anyone found a link to them yet ? so I can view what they are proposing to do !

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    TriXia

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • The Ginge - yes, thats more comprehensive. Certainly agree with buses over taxis, anyway! IanW - agreed with poor communication, that has been the main downfall. If people had the proper reasons and list of benefits explained I suggest they would be much less opposed.

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    ipswichLAD

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • Why do SCC hate Ipswich so much that they waste millions doing it. I have just travelled from Asda at Whitehouse to Valley Road. I cannot believe how much the bus lanes completely bring all other traffic to a halt. stupid light phasing. An empty minibus caused mayhem, he would have got through just as quick had there not have been any traffic lights.

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    m01

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • Labour are only upset because there are not enough measures to screw traffic flow up and not enough traffic lights. The addition of a few more cameras to catch people out would help i think

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    Mr cynical

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • TriXia try googling "Travel Ipswich" there is a dedicated website for the scheme. Probalby cost £10 or £20,000 to set up so we might as well use it, it isn't on the Suffolk CC website although you might find a link burried in there somewhere.

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    The Ginge

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • 2 Road Lanes out of the town centre and 1 coming in would help, or maybe building a 4 Lane road all the way to Norwich so people can get there fast to Shop, also you can watch good football there! A good idea to build statue's of all the town council people so we can throw rotten fruit at them, I am full of good positive idea's.

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    a west

    Friday, January 31, 2014

  • All this 'so called' improvement, seems to me just people with too much of our money to spend 'justifying' their positions !, surely it would not be to difficult to find much more 'constructive' schemes which urgently need doing ?

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    freedomf

    Friday, January 31, 2014

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