Why Ipswich Town fans should dare to dream

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Thursday, March 27, 2014
11:49 AM

Ipswich Town are just two points adrift of the play-off places heading into the final eight games of the Championship campaign. STUART WATSON looks at their chances of securing a top-six finish.

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HOW TOWN COULD DO IT...

WIGAN:

Sat, Mar 29 Bolton a L

Tues, Apr 1 Leicester h D

Sat, Apr 5 Leeds h W

Tues, Apr 8 Millwall h D

Sat, Apr 12 Arsenal (FA Cup semi-final)

Fri, Apr 18 Reading h W

Mon, Apr 21 Burnley a L

Sat, Apr 26 Blackpool h W

Tues, Apr 29 Birmingham a W

Sat, May 3 Blackburn a D

POINTS: 77

IPSWICH

Sat, Mar 29 Notts Forest h W

Sat, Apr 5 Blackburn a L

Tues, Apr 8 Huddersfield a D

Sat, Apr 12 Doncaster h W

Sat, Apr 19 Watford a D

Mon, Apr 21 Bournemouth h W

Sat, Apr 26 Burnley a L

Sat, May 3 Sheff Wed h W

POINTS: 71

READING

Sat, Mar 29 Huddersfield h W

Sat, Apr 5 Charlton a L

Tues, Apr 8 Bournemouth a L

Mon, Apr 14 Leicester h D

Fri, Apr 18 Wigan a L

Tues, Apr 22 Middlesbrough h W

Sat, Apr 26 Doncaster a W

Sat, May 3 Burnley h D

POINTS: 70

NOTTINGHAM FOREST

Sat, Mar 29 Ipswich a L

Sat, Apr 5 Millwall h W

Tue, Apr 8 Sheff Wed h W

Sat, Apr 12 QPR a L

Sat, Apr 19 Birmingham h D

Mon, Apr 21 Leeds a W

Sat, Apr 26 Bournemouth a L

Sat, May 3 Brighton h D

POINTS: 68

BRIGHTON

Sat, Mar 29 Middlesbrough h D

Tues, Apr 1 Blackburn a L

Sat, Apr 5 Barnsley a D

Tues, Apr 8 Leicester a L

Sat, Apr 12 Charlton h W

Fri, Apr 18 Huddersfield a D

Mon, Apr 21 Blackpool h W

Sat, Apr 26 Yeovil h D

Sat, May 3 Notts Forest a D

Points: 67

Ipswich Town supporters can dare to dream of a top-six finish. And humble pie would never taste so good to this writer should it happen.

Before a ball was kicked this season, I – like many pundits – predicted this low-budget Blues side would be one that fans would be proud of, but one that would ultimately come up just short in terms of quality. Following a season of battling relegation, a year of consolidation looked to be on the agenda.

As the months progressed, I saw little to change that opinion. Town’s close-knit, hard-working, spirited group of players were competing week-in, week-out under excellent man-management, but coming up just short against the leading sides in the division.

Following the 3-0 defeat at Leicester little more than a month ago, this writer proclaimed: “Ipswich Town’s staff and players will make all the right noises about battling for sixth spot ‘until it’s mathematically impossible’, but the reality is that the final 14 games of the campaign are now about finishing as high in the mid-table positions as possible.”

Then came the 1-0 home win over Birmingham.

After the 2-0 loss at Middlesbrough, this writer said: “The 250-mile journey back to Suffolk will have seemed like a lifetime for fans who endured this one. Those of them who are also making the similar length trip to Yeovil will be questioning their own sanity.”

Town, of course, ground out a 1-0 win at Huish Park.

Following the 3-1 home defeat to Wigan 12 days ago, this writer put in print: “Finishing in the play-off places may not be mission impossible, but it’s become mission highly unlikely.”

I should have known better than to start writing off a Mick McCarthy side.

Saturday’s 2-0 win at Brighton and Tuesday night’s 2-1 victory over Derby at Portman Road were achieved through sheer bloody mindedness. This Blues team may not be the most aesthetically pleasing, but while sexy football may win the odd battle in the Championship it doesn’t always win the war.

Consistency is king over the long slog of a 46-game campaign and becomes even more crucial during the hectic Saturday-Tuesday run-in. While others are faltering under the pressure, McCarthy’s pragmatic and level-headed approach has helped his players tick along nicely.

People always talk about one team putting together a fantastic finish to appear from nowhere. If Ipswich do finish in the top six it won’t be a case of charging in from the back, but more a case of strolling over the line in a tortoise and hare scenario.

And the signs are there that such a scenario may well unfold.

Just a few weeks ago it looked like the top five places were spoken for. Now everything is wide open again. Third-place QPR and fourth-place Derby are beginning to sweat on their play-off participation.

Fifth-place Wigan won eight in a row recently but have struggled to keep that form up since breaking into the top six. Uwe Rosler’s men, who had the Europa League to contend with earlier in the campaign, have an FA Cup semi-final to think about too.

Sixth-place Reading have blown hot and cold, their last nine results of three wins, three draws and three defeats, a snapshot of their season. And the Royals have a tough-looking run-in consisting of games against fellow top-six rivals and teams still fighting for survival.

The wheels have well and truly come off for Nottingham Forest, the East Midlands side now without a win in eight matches and managerless following the sacking of Billy Davies. Their hopes rest on a new boss having an immediate impact.

Brighton’s success has been built on their mean defence.

But successive defeats has led to their fans questioning a conservative style of play under Oscar Garcia.

Then there’s the trio of Bournemouth, Blackburn and Watford who will all still feel they can produce a late run.

It really could still go either way for McCarthy’s men. For now though, let’s just enjoy the fact that the Blues – following years of second tier mediocrity – finally have something positive to play for at this stage of the season once again.

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59 comments

  • Cyril response lost in archsnt either. I do not say you want to name the team. I merely give it as an example of something that is an opinion so that you might grasp the concept

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    TrueBlue

    Friday, March 28, 2014

  • True Blue, come on just be fair, I have not said who should be in the team, i was asked by one of the disiples would I drop Berra, my reply must be clear even to those that do not accepti. With regard to the FFP, has anyone been fined yet, it is not therefore fact, there is a meeting about to take place where the president of the Premier League has said he will be supporting the challenge of a number of championship clubs as the current system can not work.again, I have to agree that is not fact, but we both know it is likely as there is a lot of opposition to the current rules. I have not said the Guardian has it right, but I choose to accept what has been written, if you choose otherwise that is your option.

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    Cyril Baker

    Friday, March 28, 2014

  • True blue I am sure you do not just rely on this site for your football information and the media are mow indicating that thereR. will be no fines this season. As ether ffp rules may well have to be reasses, indeed QPR and a number of other clubs have indicated it would not be difficult to prove these new rules unfair. However these rules apart any club that obtains Premiership Titus will earn much much Moore thank any fines. Yes it is a risk, but all businesses take risks when they invest, and there is never a guarantee of success. However our owners MDs have said thart our owner. Feels he has invested enough.

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    Cyril Baker

    Thursday, March 27, 2014

  • Cyril,sorry but I was not answering your question.I was just putting my thoughts over.You just seem to go on about the same old chestnut,please opens your eyes a little and enjoy yourself.Dont keep trying to be the winner all the time,just accept we all have opinions.

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    Daniel James

    Thursday, March 27, 2014

  • True Blue, come on just be fair, I have not said who should be in the team, i was asked by one of the disiples would I drop Berra, my reply must be clear even to those that do not accepti. With regard to the FFP, has anyone been fined yet, it is not therefore fact, there is a meeting about to take place where the president of the Premier League has said he will be supporting the challenge of a number of championship clubs as the current system can not work.again, I have to agree that is not fact, but we both know it is likely as there is a lot of opposition to the current rules. I have not said the Guardian has it right, but I choose to accept what has been written, if you choose otherwise that is your option.

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    Cyril Baker

    Friday, March 28, 2014

  • Not a single club anywhere has yet to have any actions taken against them under the BREAK EVEN rules of FFP - and you can argue all you like about it but to say clubs are being punnished under FFP BREAK EVEN rules is simply wrong. Yes Malaga have been banned but not for failing to BREAK EVEN it is as you say for other matters which do not form part of those very specific rules - let me say this clearly so you understand - the sanctions for failing to break even do not yet come into play !!!! I was and have been specifically talking about BREAK EVEN rules - not any other financial misdemeanours like failing to pay wages, or tax all of which are already punishable. The break even rules are the ones which will affect Town. Cant wait to see a champions league without any of the top clubs in it - not much of a money earner tha one !! Ha ha

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    bluearmy78

    Friday, March 28, 2014

  • Alan, I do not understand you point you seem to be saying there is so much confusion nobody knows what will happen, which really confirms what I am saying, its whether or not its worth the risk, I suggest ambitio7s clubs have taken the risk, and lets face it ME was fully aware of what he was taking on. As for your comment about congratualting MM, he has achieve a remarkable position in the leage with no support from the owner, I would not however cross the road regualarly to watch his boot the ball up field, mind you in my opinion he has made some terrible blunders.

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    Cyril Baker

    Thursday, March 27, 2014

  • Cyril wait for the response to come through as you see I was replying to blue army and as you will see, said point will be dealt with (by showing yet again, you fail to grasp mine). Still Cyril we only improve by paying an opponent smarter than us so this must be an excellent learning curve for you.

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    TrueBlue

    Friday, March 28, 2014

  • Redhotitfc - Enlighten me please which club has been hit by UEFA sanctions for failing to comply with FFP ? I think you will find that the sanctions have not yet come into force (due in April) and that they are looking into compliance by 79 clubs.....Most football finance experts I have heard (that means nobody on here) seem to agree that sanctions are unworkable.....trueblue - the taking away of a play off place IS NOT a sanction available for non compliance...The ONLY sanctions available to the league are 1. Transfer embargo starting in Jan 2015 2. A points deduction IF promotion has occurred and compliance is not met... Being docked points in a league when they would be odds on favourites for relegation would probably have little effect and we've already had a self imposed transfer embargo for the last couple of windows anyway.....My point being the ONLY sanctions which could effect ITFC would make little or no difference.....The interesting thing will be when town post their losses for 2013 : 2014 - this will tell us a lot about ME and his ownership. Town can make a loss of £3m without an injection of equity from the owner or up to £8m if he does....my gut feeling (and I hope I'm wrong) is that he won't be injecting cash & that town may fail to comply. This may mean a transfer embargo in Jan 2015 but we will have to wait and see. It does beg the question though should the vast majority of clubs fail to comply and they are ALL deducted points what is the point of sanctions and if a large percentage of clubs have transfer embargoes imposed would this not cause the total collapse of the transfer market ? Imposing sanctions is like shooting yourself in the foot - it's just not in the leagues interests !!! The first "punishments" by UEFA come in in April and so we will all have a clearer picture of what the implications of FFP will actually be.... Warnings and reprimands being the most likely punishments in my opinion or are people really suggesting that Barca, Real Madrid, Manchester City, PSG, Monaco, Chelsea and host of other clubs (up to 79) will be barred from taking part in their own Blue Ribband competition i.e champs league ? It just isn't going to happen - it would be like killing the goose that lays the golden egg !!

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    bluearmy78

    Friday, March 28, 2014

  • OK dreamers... here's how to work this one out. 1. Work out the average number of points per game each team has managed over a season. Apply that number to the number of games they have left - remembering to make allowance for when they are playing each other.. 2. Wake up and smell the coffee. Oh and Cyril £90million is well worth having in your backpocket. The question is do you still maintain your corporate loss making football club after winning the lottery?

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    Ray Bidwolf

    Thursday, March 27, 2014

  • Cyril,you are not happy when the club wins,and when they loose you mock the players,MM and the owner.YOU cannot be a genuine supporter if this is your attitude.I go as far as to say that you will never be happy even if we were in the prem and had a different manager.I'm afraid you sound as though you still dwell on the good old days and stuck in the old school tie day's.You really need to lighten up and just enjoy life.!

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    Daniel James

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • Trueblue, I am quite happy to wait and see, but it was you who just cannot accept the likely outccome. I thoink the president of the premier league is more likely to be correct than either you or I. notice you dont want to say anything about your claim that I want to pick the team, you could just have said sorry I got it wrong as I have done on a number of occassions.

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    Cyril Baker

    Friday, March 28, 2014

  • Cyril again you blur the line between opinion and fact. Things like who should be in the team or what formation we should play are a matter of opinion. Things like what the FFP rules say are fact and the fact is rules are rules. What you are now advocating is that our owner gambles the club on a coin flip. Look at it this way ME could have spent a fortune ( which will increase the size of the debt you already hate so much coz the money has to come from somewhere) the clubs sue and the clubs lose. Leaving town either under a transfer embargo ( which could be in place until we comply with FFP again. That would take a huge cut in budgets to do so with any speed and you would be screaming then) and or Fined (more money that can't go towards the placing budget) and or deducted points. Or he could comply with the rules and ensure the future and the stability of the club. IF the clubs sue and IF they win and IF the rules change (unlikely, prem clubs dont want them to) ME can then invest as much or as litte as he likes. Now you might be happy with that kind of insane wager but this is not a bond film and I would prefer the future of Town is gambled in such a manner. The latter option seems far more prudent, now here go Cyril, a question is comming. Do you disagree? If so why?

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    TrueBlue

    Friday, March 28, 2014

  • Redhotitfc, please tell us of the position you hold that allows you to know more than the president of the Premiership then we might believe you, but you do get carried away at times.

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    Cyril Baker

    Friday, March 28, 2014

  • Cyril I don't think you read what I write. With regards to UEFA FFP rules I get that from the UEFA and CAS decisions and wording so that is a fact as it's from the horses mouth and not a report. The Championship rules are from The Football Leagues actual policy wording that they publish to all clubs and that is a fact from the horses mouth. Please find where I have said ITFC will get promoted, I'd love you to show me as I have never said that, I have always said a top 10 finish is more realistic, I said that at the start of the season and I am not sure we will finish in the top 6 as I said a few reports ago after the Derby win. Even if we can make the top 6 I think it's between QPR and Wigan so show me where I have said otherwise. And as I have read the FFP rules in detail I have no idea what you mean by points deduction, that is not an option that The Football League has under the current FFP rules for The Championship. The only way teams get a points deduction through finances is if they go into administration. You make up things constantly Cyril, everyone knows that now and take whatever you say with a pince of salt. You did after all predict ITFC would struggle this season, predict we don't have a player ever that would have the chance to reach 20 goals and Murphy will never be good for the team. On each of those predictions you have been proven wrong. When I say something is a fact it is because I get it from the horses mouth, not a newspaper report. You get your info from the sun and your own biased mouth.

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    redhotitfc

    Friday, March 28, 2014

  • Cyril again you blur the line between opinion and fact. Things like who should be in the team or what formation we should play are a matter of opinion. Things like what the FFP rules say are fact and the fact is rules are rules. What you are now advocating is that our owner gambles the club on a coin flip. Look at it this way ME could have spent a fortune ( which will increase the size of the debt you already hate so much coz the money has to come from somewhere) the clubs sue and the clubs lose. Leaving town either under a transfer embargo ( which could be in place until we comply with FFP again. That would take a huge cut in budgets to do so with any speed and you would be screaming then) and or Fined (more money that can't go towards the placing budget) and or deducted points. Or he could comply with the rules and ensure the future and the stability of the club. IF the clubs sue and IF they win and IF the rules change (unlikely, prem clubs dont want them to) ME can then invest as much or as litte as he likes. Now you might be happy with that kind of insane wager but this is not a bond film and I would prefer the future of Town is gambled in such a manner. The latter option seems far more prudent, now here go Cyril, a question is comming. Do you disagree? If so why?

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    TrueBlue

    Friday, March 28, 2014

  • BA I take your poinr RE play offs but none the less the pnelaties of points, embargos and fines all still stand. I agree the rules are stupid but they are rules. The facrt that 79 clubs are under investigation shows that UEFA intend to enforce them. It also suggests that only 79 may be in breach so not every club id going to breac the. A transfer embargo as I understand it means no signings be they free or not and we signed 10 players last summer, hardley an embargo is it? Surely it's better to comply and if the rules change I would hope that the money saved could go into town then. Remember the FFP rules have been in place for 3 years, its only the sactions that are not. Blackburn and QPR were more than happy with them when they were PL teams,. Frankly if anyone thought they were challengeable they would have done so by now any attempt at this stage is at best a delaying tactic. Were we to get promoted I would rather not start a season that will be extremely difficult anyway with the handicap of a points deduction especially when many teams in recent times have shown it is possibles to stay up. Perhaps I have misunderstood but you seem to be advocating the same as Cyril, gamble that the rules are successfully challenged and in my opinion doing so is a list diffrent from £25 on the national. Let someone else take ( and fund) said gamble and then if the rules change the club can act accordingly.

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    TrueBlue

    Friday, March 28, 2014

  • Deloitte who deal with Premier and Football league finance and club valuations state promotion to the premiership is worth £60M. They are the professional here, and that £60M does not cover the debts, as I said. If you have any proof from professional bodies otherwise then please let me know. You can google those valuations easily enough, I find out these things before I comment in the first place.

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    redhotitfc

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • The comments on here from a certain MINORITY is getting really repetitive and, frankly, self indulgent booring nonsense. The main culprits never go to games and never will, even if their utopia was ever met, so with that in mind I will keep commenting on games and points of interest but will stop feeding the never ending claptrap, self interested nobodies who frequent this site.

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    bristan

    Thursday, March 27, 2014

  • Cyril,Football is a business now,and if run properly can be successful,and hindsight is a good thing.Yes,I think deep down we all wanted investment but you have to be realistic and I think Mr.Evans has done the CORRECT thing in following the FFP rules.You must agree the team is doing well and considering MM has had little to spend he has managed to bring in very good players.Ok,the football is not what we have all been used to over the years,but we are getting results and you cannot grumble at that.Maybe,just Maybe the owner might invest a little in the summer.(lets all hope so) but in the meantime we should all be grateful the team is doing well and in Avery good position in the league.May I therefore suggest you stop hoping the team will fail so you can then turn round and say 'I told you so".Just for once be happy.!!

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    Daniel James

    Thursday, March 27, 2014

  • DoYou both accept that a loss making itfc is worth more to the Mm group than a profitable one., bearing in mind the tax savings, and how does that help itfc

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    Cyril Baker

    Thursday, March 27, 2014

  • bluearmy78 check the UEFA and CAS column and report. It clearly states the 1 year ban is for not paying player wages ad debts to other clubs. It also states that under the FFP rules they will not be allowed to enter European cups for the next 4 years. That's a fact straight from UEFA. These experts you quote are from where? I believe in the UEFA directive and what they states ather than press opinions acually. They are the facts.

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    redhotitfc

    Friday, March 28, 2014

  • Cyril read the comments, no one supports you here. The official documentation with regards to FFP rules are clearly available on the UEFA website and Football League website. If you have read that source you would agree, but you have not so your argument makes you look stupid as you are uninformed. If you have read the source where did you find it?? What did you read?? Cos it wasn't from an original source I promise you that. I am privy to those documents because they have been published by the administrative bodies, simply have a look for them if you can be bothered because I have said time and time again where to find them. I guess you just don't want to know that you're wrong so you stay ignorant by ignoring the obvious. I'm not anxious at all, I never said we would go up. However we all know you are, many have said it here what you predicted and now you're shamed to have been proven wrong. Come back when you're informed and try to be humble. then people will appreciate what you say.

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    redhotitfc

    Friday, March 28, 2014

  • Swindon have already been placed under a transfer embargo too btw

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    TrueBlue

    Friday, March 28, 2014

  • True blue, I may be telling my grandma how to suck eggs if that is the case I apologise, However you may like to enter on your seach bar "Championship Fair Play Rules" amongst the headings that come up are a couple from the Guardian, both indicating that championship fair play rules are unworkable, and you will realise it is highly unlikely to happen particularly as they now have the support of Scudemore of the Premiership. Still risky, but looks fairly safe.

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    Cyril Baker

    Thursday, March 27, 2014

  • True blue I am sure you do not just rely on this site for your football information and the media are mow indicating that thereR. will be no fines this season. As ether ffp rules may well have to be reasses, indeed QPR and a number of other clubs have indicated it would not be difficult to prove these new rules unfair. However these rules apart any club that obtains Premiership Titus will earn much much Moore thank any fines. Yes it is a risk, but all businesses take risks when they invest, and there is never a guarantee of success. However our owners MDs have said thart our owner. Feels he has invested enough.

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    Cyril Baker

    Thursday, March 27, 2014

  • The way he goes on Daniel I think it's nearer 70 minutes than 70 years. Any true supporter isn't so dismissive of the club as a whole. I think his hero is steroo, he seems to replicate his arguments.

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    redhotitfc

    Friday, March 28, 2014

  • Bristan, and Redhotitfc, what people write on here is simply their opinion, you can challenge it as I do but if its going to upset you go and lie down in a dark room. Redhotitfc keep that song handy.

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    Cyril Baker

    Friday, March 28, 2014

  • Daniel that's what we all asked for last year,did he invest in the summer.no did he invest in January no, why do you think that will change when his managing directors tell us he feels he has invested enough. However you totally ignored the question

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    Cyril Baker

    Thursday, March 27, 2014

  • With regards to town the UEFA FFP rules only apply if we qualify for Europe. Breaking The Football League's FFP rules for the Championship is only punishable by transfer embargo's and fines if a team is promoted to the Premiership. Nothing else.

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    redhotitfc

    Friday, March 28, 2014

  • Cyril really I can't believe after all the stick you give others you are now quoting from the press. Forget that search you offered, just search 'Financial Fair Play in The Football League' and go to the official football league link and it clearly states the rules there. I don't see how they say the rule is unworkable, UEFA have been using the rule fine and imposing sanctions. The Premier League also forced The Football League to accept these FFP rules under the threat of removing financial aid so do you really think they are going to sit back and let no action to be taken. Read the facts and come back when you have some reliable sources.

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    redhotitfc

    Thursday, March 27, 2014

  • OMG Bididiot now you are spending time with a calculator trying to justify why ITFC wont make the playoffs. Ye Gods get a life you bididiot. Blah, blah, blah.

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    bristan

    Thursday, March 27, 2014

  • The vast majority of the posts here have nothing to do with the EADT article. We have the usual words of wisdom from the usual sources. To cap it all, we have dear old Cyril stuck in the groove as always. Hoping he will be proved right come what may.

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    Richard Gardiner

    Friday, March 28, 2014

  • Cyril,reading through all your posts,it appears that all you want is for Ipswich to fall flat on there face just so you can ONCE AGAIN be proved right.You are not a genuine supporter if you wish this on the club you say you have supported for over 70 years.

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    Daniel James

    Friday, March 28, 2014

  • This is simple. Google 'CFCB adjudicatory chamber decisions' and choose the report Published: Friday 21 December 2012, 14.00CET. It clearly shows six clubs punished under FFP rules. These are FK Partizan, FC Dinamo Bucureşti, FC Rapid Bucureşti, NK Osijek, HNK Hajduk Split and Malaga. That is the official decision from UEFA on their website and upheld by CAS. Now you can argue your point that clubs are not being punished yet but as you and anyone else can see you are completely wrong. If you can find other proof that shows they are not being punished under FFP rules which there is not please show me. They all state "in line with Articles 49 and 50 of the Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations." Now stop spouting an opinions and show me proof for your argument. I have just supplied proof for you.

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    redhotitfc

    Friday, March 28, 2014

  • One season in the Premiership won't cover the debt and after all the years of trying to get us up do you think he will just deplete the club of funds and let us go back down again? He would make a loss and it doesn't make business sense. After all right at the start he said he wants to make the club an attractive purchase for a new owner. He's in it for the money, that was known at the start, but as long as he keeps us ifwhen we go up up I don't care.

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    redhotitfc

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • Cyril to be fair that's one of your better answers. I only illustrated team selection as something that is a matter of opinion as opposed to fact. You are still missing my point tho. So to you and blue army, yes the rules could change but the fact is until they do the rule are the rules. Clubs have been working on complying for 3 years. Equally the law currently says murder is illegal again the law could change, BUT surely if one is considering a murderous rampage its better to wait and see if the law does change (rather than kill first and hope it does), especially when someone might be about to challenge said law in the first place. That way whilst morally I might be out of ordering at least legally im not. You are still adocating risking the futute of the club on at best a 50 50. I say that is fool hardy.

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    TrueBlue

    Friday, March 28, 2014

  • Cyril wait for the response to come through as you see I was replying to blue army and as you will see, said point will be dealt with (by showing yet again, you fail to grasp mine). Still Cyril we only improve by paying an opponent smarter than us so this must be an excellent learning curve for you.

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    TrueBlue

    Friday, March 28, 2014

  • I find it odd that some people still equate spending millions with producing a successful side, given the fact the burley won promotion having spent little and was relegated and sacked after destroying team morale by spending big, and then Magilton got us to the top six with no money only subsequently to destroy the team morale by spending money, followed by Jewell and Keane, both of whom took a poor side and made it appreciably worse by spending money. MM has had little to spend but has put together a good side two points off the play offs. Go figure.

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    Tom

    Thursday, March 27, 2014

  • The shame is that it could have been reality rather than a dream if only our owner had invested just a llittle in the transfer market. Other clubs, have taken a chance and will get the rewards.

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    Cyril Baker

    Thursday, March 27, 2014

  • Suppose you could write off 1 years annual loss with the Connor Wickham sale. maybe thats in my er i mean Marcus Evans back pocket?

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    Staidtastic

    Thursday, March 27, 2014

  • Redhotitfc, you still are not telling us how you are the receiver of priveledge information, all you show is you have read this article and that article, which is no different to what we are saying. However I do now realise how you believe itfc will gain promotion, you obviously believe all the other clubs will get loss of points etc to bring them below itftr. Come on Redhot you know none of us know what will happen at the end of the season just be honest with yourself.

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    Cyril Baker

    Friday, March 28, 2014

  • Its testament to the amazing job MM has carried out this year that we still have something to play for. Sensibly ME and the board have chosen to reduce the outgoings in line with the FFP rules. Shrewed signings and a top man management albeit with a direct style of play have kept town in it. None of us (except complete and utter plebs) would wanted ME to gamble the house only for us to fail at the last hurdle and then be stuck with massive wages, larger debts and find ourselves in proper financial strife next year.

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    Staidtastic

    Thursday, March 27, 2014

  • True blue I am sure you do not just rely on this site for your football information and the media are mow indicating that thereR. will be no fines this season. As ether ffp rules may well have to be reasses, indeed QPR and a number of other clubs have indicated it would not be difficult to prove these new rules unfair. However these rules apart any club that obtains Premiership Titus will earn much much Moore thank any fines. Yes it is a risk, but all businesses take risks when they invest, and there is never a guarantee of success. However our owners MDs have said thart our owner. Feels he has invested enough.

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    Cyril Baker

    Thursday, March 27, 2014

  • Cyril to be fair that's one of your better answers. I only illustrated team selection as something that is a matter of opinion as opposed to fact. You are still missing my point tho. So to you and blue army, yes the rules could change but the fact is until they do the rule are the rules. Clubs have been working on complying for 3 years. Equally the law currently says murder is illegal again the law could change, BUT surely if one is considering a murderous rampage its better to wait and see if the law does change (rather than kill first and hope it does), especially when someone might be about to challenge said law in the first place. That way whilst morally I might be out of ordering at least legally im not. You are still adocating risking the futute of the club on at best a 50 50. I say that is fool hardy.

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    TrueBlue

    Friday, March 28, 2014

  • I suggest Cyril that you read up on the FFP rules so that you can have a realistic discussion with True Blue and others on this site. Who knows what will happen at the end of the season with those clubs which openly defy these rules and I believe the club are right in sticking to the rules. It would be better to say what a magnificent job MM has done to get this small squad into a possible play off position in his first full season as manager.

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    Alan Chaplin

    Thursday, March 27, 2014

  • bluearmy78 do you really think I would say that if I didn't know what I'm talking about?? Malaga are banned for one year or not paying debts and wages and then if they qualify for a European cup within the next four years they are banned under the FFP rules. That decision was upheld by the CAS. So there you go, it is workable. Do you really think the rest of Europe and the other big teams are going to sit back if they have the chance to expel Barcalona? Don't be stupid. Either way those clubs are getting around it by mammoth sponsorship deals and the maximum owner investment (around 32M from owner) They can also lose some money (around 4.5M). Anything else?

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    redhotitfc

    Friday, March 28, 2014

  • The only tax savings as far as i see it that the ME group can claim, is offsetting the interest payments on the inter-group loans against the income tax payments they make in the UK. Now, without seeing the figures i'm not sure that this figure is more than the loss figure that ITFC UK is making. I just don't know i havent seen the figures. I still don't think that ME will be happy with a loss making company in the group and allow it to continue just so he can save on the income tax that very same loss making company has to pay the HMRC? Especially if it means bailing it out with more loans, or eventually letting it go bust. Because then he will next get his money back. Strange logic there Cyril. But admittedly i'm not an expert on Group finance, but i do run my own business so know a bit about company finances.

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    Staidtastic

    Thursday, March 27, 2014

  • BA As far as I can tell it is a combo of both. The mail certainly suggests it much more due to a FFP breach and failure to pay debts than tax evasion. A failure to pay tax on time seems to contribute. Also the article by Peter Sharland in goal suggests the same. As far as I can tell from all reporting on the matter the obligation to pay tax and other debt is within the FFP rules and Malaga certainly seem to be viewed as the first big club to be punished due to those regulations. The CAS statement suggest so to me anyway. Re big clubs being kicked out, I agree I dont think that will happen but everyone said the same about Rangers in Scotland. The finnancial implications of that were hugest for the Scottish game

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    TrueBlue

    Friday, March 28, 2014

  • Obviously having to borrow money from the ME group allows them to charge interest but I don't get your point here. ME is a businessman, he said at the start he basically wants to turn the club around, stabilise them in the premiership and sell them on for a profit. We are having to have our losses taken care of every season from the ME group so I don't really see any other option, chairman who prop up clubs and never want money back hardly exist now. Football is a business and most owners want to cash in, everyone is aware of that but I believe you think no one else is, other than yourself.

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    redhotitfc

    Thursday, March 27, 2014

  • That got results.

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    Cyril Baker

    Friday, March 28, 2014

  • If that is your opinion fine, so lets just wait and see. You need to update your knowledge of what promotion to the premiership is worth, but I will wait to see the privy information that you think you have on the matter..

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    Cyril Baker

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • Redhotitfc, unlike yourself I do not come on here for support, I do not turn others to ask them to tell me that you are like the sheep that follow the flock. I am a genuine supporter who is concerned about the well being of our club, and fujlly appreciate the club is being milked. It is true I do not have much support on this site when town win, but just watch when they lose. I of course would love to get into the premiership, but if we do iot is my believe that ME will take out his money and run, where will that leave the town, in the premiership with no dosh. Lets just wait and see.

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    Cyril Baker

    Saturday, March 29, 2014

  • Cyril how about this what if ME had spent in the summer and we did make the play offs only to then fall foul of FFP rules and get punished with either A. A transfer embargo (making it impossible to compete next year whether we are promoted or not ) or B. Have points deducted and subsequently said play off birth taken away. God, imagine how much you would moan then. What you just can not grasp is that ME cant invest more without breaching FFP rules its that simple but I guess you still think the earth is flat so there is no point in explaining it

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    TrueBlue

    Thursday, March 27, 2014

  • We could have invested more on top of all the purchases and loan and then suffered a transfer embargo next season judging on last seasons losses.

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    redhotitfc

    Thursday, March 27, 2014

  • Redhotitfc, you still have not said in all your ramblings why you are privy to this priviledge information, you have not seen the official documents you have simply read it somwhere and that is exactly what we have done. There is no difference in source. You often mention that at the begining of the season I said we would struggle which I did, but you choose to not mention I said if signings were not made which of course they have been. None better than Williams, so lets see what happens if he goes, is the boy that I believe has been brought in to replace him going to be as good we have to wait and see, which I am quite happy to do but you appear a little anxous.

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    Cyril Baker

    Friday, March 28, 2014

  • BarclaysNorwich Union debt - 35 million Playing Staff Investment - 12 million Average Annual Loss of ITFC x 5 = 40 million. 90 - 35-12-40=0 million. So i'm not sure if theres any money left to go in the back pocket?

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    Staidtastic

    Thursday, March 27, 2014

  • Redhot - Calm down mate !! Malaga have not been banned for breaching FFP break even rules, which is what this debate is about, they have been banned for tax evasion !!! Have a look at the rules and sanctions and you will see very clearly that they do not come into being yet so Malaga couldn't be banned under these rules !!! So in answer to your question yes I do think you would say something which is not true - you just have.....twice !! Trust me if the champions of leagues across Europe, PSG, Chelsea, Barca, Man City etc etc are banned from the Champions league the UEFA by default would be destroying its own competition and that is why MOST experts I have heard suggest that at worst clubs will be reprimanded and MAY face wage caps on players competing in the Champions league - all of which has no bearing on ITFC and the sanctions which could be imposed on them.....Anything else ?

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    bluearmy78

    Friday, March 28, 2014

  • Cyril,reading through all your posts,it appears that all you want is for Ipswich to fall flat on there face just so you can ONCE AGAIN be proved right.You are not a genuine supporter if you wish this on the club you say you have supported for over 70 years.

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    Daniel James

    Friday, March 28, 2014

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